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Geothermal experiences appreciated MoviePen 07-11-2008
Posted by on July 11, 2008, 5:02 pm
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I'm very strongly looking at converting our 3,300sqft home from oil to
geothermal. I'd love anyone who has installed geothermal in a
residential home (preferably converting from another heat source) in a
cold climate area (I'm in the upstate NY area) to share the following:

-- anticipated and actual heating/utilities savings (or not)
-- the size (in tons) of your system
-- if you have an open or closed source
-- if you had to rely on backup heating
-- your rough location (so I can compare climate similarities or
differences)

Right now, even with the high capital cost of installing a new
geothermal unit, I'm looking at an approximate 5- to 6-year payback on
this system. It's a very attractive proposition.

Thanks!

Posted by hubops on July 11, 2008, 5:40 pm
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On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:02:00 -0700 (PDT), MoviePen@gmail.com wrote:

>I'm very strongly looking at converting our 3,300sqft home from oil to
>geothermal. I'd love anyone who has installed geothermal in a
>residential home (preferably converting from another heat source) in a
>cold climate area (I'm in the upstate NY area) to share the following:
>
>-- anticipated and actual heating/utilities savings (or not)
>-- the size (in tons) of your system
>-- if you have an open or closed source
>-- if you had to rely on backup heating
>-- your rough location (so I can compare climate similarities or
>differences)
>
>Right now, even with the high capital cost of installing a new
>geothermal unit, I'm looking at an approximate 5- to 6-year payback on
>this system. It's a very attractive proposition.
>
>Thanks!



Yes. Thanks for asking !
I'm in southern Ontario - also thinking of geo-thermal.
Anyone's real-life experiences are welcome.
A few of my neighbours have converted - but quite recently
so the results aren't in yet, for them.
I believe that I can expect to spend around 20-25 k
and get about 8 k back in grant money.
I would like to keep my new hi-eff propane furnace
for January-February aux. heat. I would hope that the
geo-thermal would provide central air cond. (new)
and reasonable March-April-Oct-Nov-Dec heating.
I have a half acre lot - but septic field would limit
excavation to a U shape - around it - for buried piping.
I have a good drilled well source - but not sure about
using that for geo-thermal
( I think that 2 of my neighbours are already tapped into the aquafer
for geo-thermal - and discharge to the storm sewer )
.. seems if we all did that - we'd be sacrificing our drinking water ?
thx John T



Posted by Mike Copeland on July 23, 2008, 9:14 pm
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We bought a house 15 yrs ago that had some kind of geothermal system
involving lots of PVC pipe laid out under the surface of the ground. It
started to leak.....no one could fix it. The HVAC people in the area
tried, the plumbers tried... we put in a heat pump and never thought
about it again.
The moral is to be very sure that you have a local support system to
call on when you need it. Off the shelf parts/systems are MUCH easier to
maintain. The money you think you will save in the long run can be wiped
out with just one "issue". Dependability trumps ALL other issues.

Posted by Ken Maltby on July 23, 2008, 10:31 pm
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> I'm very strongly looking at converting our 3,300sqft home from oil to
> geothermal. I'd love anyone who has installed geothermal in a
> residential home (preferably converting from another heat source) in a
> cold climate area (I'm in the upstate NY area) to share the following:
>
> -- anticipated and actual heating/utilities savings (or not)
> -- the size (in tons) of your system
> -- if you have an open or closed source
> -- if you had to rely on backup heating
> -- your rough location (so I can compare climate similarities or
> differences)
>
> Right now, even with the high capital cost of installing a new
> geothermal unit, I'm looking at an approximate 5- to 6-year payback on
> this system. It's a very attractive proposition.
>
> Thanks!

I suspect what you are describing as "Geothermal" is also known
as a "Ground Source Heat Pump".

What some of us think of as Geothermal requires tapping into the
high temperature areas of the earth's crust that are only practically
exploitable at certain spots. Unless you have steam rising up from
the ground or bubbling mud on your property, it's not likely that
you would be able to access that kind of Geothermal.

What has been a puzzle to me is; why hasn't Westinghouse
or some such, found a way to get between the hot magma and
the giant cold water heatsink that is the ocean, at any of the
many points where this is occurring naturally now. Or perhaps
use a short drilling into the ring of fire, where it is near a major
city but out at sea. Providing Tokyo, LA, Hong Kong,
Singapore, San Francisco and many others with a truly vast
continuos source of power, would drastically cut their need to
import oil.

Luck;
Ken

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/03/geothermal-is-not-a-heatpump.php






Posted by on July 24, 2008, 8:07 pm
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| What has been a puzzle to me is; why hasn't Westinghouse
| or some such, found a way to get between the hot magma and
| the giant cold water heatsink that is the ocean, at any of the
| many points where this is occurring naturally now. Or perhaps
| use a short drilling into the ring of fire, where it is near a major
| city but out at sea. Providing Tokyo, LA, Hong Kong,
| Singapore, San Francisco and many others with a truly vast
| continuos source of power, would drastically cut their need to
| import oil.

Because the government isn't subsidizing the effort and giving them a tax
credit for what it costs.

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