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Hydrogen Gas for cooking Karl 01-04-2009
Posted by Neon John on January 5, 2009, 10:53 pm
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>I guess hydrogen may appear but maybe not. I have to watch out for dropping
>prices for induction ranges. I just hate those old electric coils burners.
>They just don't last long, at least the new ones don't.

You might want to look for a stove that still uses the wide Calrod type
elements. Like this one:

http://www.neon-john.com/Files/files/RORT/Wide_Stove_eye.jpg

(damn, it doesn't look that soiled in person :-) This is an eye on the stove
that my Dad bought Mom when I was born in 1954. We've replaced elements but
no more than one or two over the 50+ years of use. I know that the wide eyes
are still made because I've seen them. No idea what brand.

Be aware, however, that these big eyes are very unresponsive. I keep pieces
of perforated metal on the stove to put between the eye and pots or pans to
quickly vary the heat.

John
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John De Armond
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The profligate use of energy is the sign of a healthy, expanding civilization.
Conservation is a leap backward toward the caves.


Posted by Karl on January 6, 2009, 8:54 am
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>
>
>>I guess hydrogen may appear but maybe not. I have to watch out for
>>dropping
>>prices for induction ranges. I just hate those old electric coils
>>burners.
>>They just don't last long, at least the new ones don't.
>
> You might want to look for a stove that still uses the wide Calrod type
> elements. Like this one:
>
> http://www.neon-john.com/Files/files/RORT/Wide_Stove_eye.jpg
>
> (damn, it doesn't look that soiled in person :-) This is an eye on the
> stove
> that my Dad bought Mom when I was born in 1954. We've replaced elements
> but
> no more than one or two over the 50+ years of use. I know that the wide
> eyes
> are still made because I've seen them. No idea what brand.

They are still made? The elements too? I had a Tappan that my Mom would
still had that was 50 years old. She like it but I hate it because some of
the elements did go. Not from what you thing though. They had clips that
would fray and arc just a bit to destroy the couplings. And the crap that I
could replace them with don't last. They are cheesy.

She still has 3 elements that are 50 years old. I offer all the time to
replace it but she likes it!

Now I wonder what's up with the solid disk kind?

>
> Be aware, however, that these big eyes are very unresponsive. I keep
> pieces
> of perforated metal on the stove to put between the eye and pots or pans
> to
> quickly vary the heat.
>
> John
> --
> John De Armond
> See my website for my current email address
> http://www.neon-john.com
> http://www.johndearmond.com <-- best little blog on the net!
> Tellico Plains, Occupied TN
> The profligate use of energy is the sign of a healthy, expanding
> civilization.
> Conservation is a leap backward toward the caves.
>



Posted by Scott on January 4, 2009, 9:44 pm
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On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 17:11:27 -0500, in alt.energy.homepower, Neon John

>Only problem I've ever had was cracking two different fajita pans. Both split
>from the center to one rim, obviously from the magnetic forces involved in the
>huge circulating current in the cast iron. Sounded like a pistol shot. No
>problem from any other type of utensil.

Cast iron? Uneven heating can do that. If it were magnetism I'd expect to
see it warping your thin steel pans...? I've never had the pleasure of
cooking on an induction range.

Posted by Frank on January 4, 2009, 6:40 pm
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Karl wrote:
> I was wondering about hydrogen gas used as the fuel for a gas stove? Has it
> ever been done? Gas is a better cooking fuel but if solar power ever got
> cheap and it looks like it could happen, I for one would prefer to use gas
> for cooking. So one should be able to use solar electricity and make
> hyrdogen for a gas stove.
>
> Yeah I know electric stoves work fine. I just prefer gas. I'm just curious
> if this has been done or how feasible it is.
>
> Thanks
>
>
I can think of 3 serious drawbacks.
One is that you would not be able to store the hydrogen as high pressure
is required. Unlike propane or butane, hydrogen does not liquify at
room temperature no matter what the pressure.
Two is cooking would be limited to sunny days.
Third, the energetics are probably unfavorable as only a fraction of
sunlight is converted to electricity.
Better to have a solar cooker that just focuses the light to a point
where you cook.

Posted by Karl on January 4, 2009, 7:53 pm
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> Karl wrote:
>> I was wondering about hydrogen gas used as the fuel for a gas stove? Has
>> it ever been done? Gas is a better cooking fuel but if solar power ever
>> got cheap and it looks like it could happen, I for one would prefer to
>> use gas for cooking. So one should be able to use solar electricity and
>> make hyrdogen for a gas stove.
>>
>> Yeah I know electric stoves work fine. I just prefer gas. I'm just
>> curious if this has been done or how feasible it is.
>>
>> Thanks
> I can think of 3 serious drawbacks.
> One is that you would not be able to store the hydrogen as high pressure
> is required. Unlike propane or butane, hydrogen does not liquify at room
> temperature no matter what the pressure.
> Two is cooking would be limited to sunny days.
> Third, the energetics are probably unfavorable as only a fraction of
> sunlight is converted to electricity.
> Better to have a solar cooker that just focuses the light to a point where
> you cook.

Your missing my point. What if say a utility made hydrogen and it was piped
into your house like natural gas is now. I just wanted to know are natural
gas stoves capable of burning hydrogen? I would imagine something would
have to be adapted since methane is different from hydrogen.

Cooking wouldn't have to be limited to sunny days either. You could have an
enormous array but if you were connected to the grid too you could draw all
the power you need to produce hydrogen when you need it.

Now all this would be moot if you could trade kwh for natural gas. but that
would make too much sense for the powers that be! :)





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