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Re: Calculating wind turbine tower loads Curbie 03-03-2009
Posted by Curbie on March 3, 2009, 4:43 am
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I'm drawn to your use of the word "canceling", I've been using the
word "countering" in my notes and I know they're two different words
with essentially the same meaning with no real significants to these
problems, but any excuse to rewrite my notes will force a much needed
review at this point.

I'm still muddy on when to apply which ratio of sine, cosine, or
tangent to solve for a particular force, I not looking for help with
this just "thinking out loud", this answer seems to be the key to
solving these problems and feel I will only properly understand its
application through study and review.

Thank you the efforts of this example, it should be obvious from this
post that I still don't get it, but thanks to the efforts a you and
others, feel like I am sneaking up on it.

Curbie
On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 19:02:45 -0600, david.williams@bayman.org (David
Williams) wrote:




Posted by Tim Jackson on March 3, 2009, 5:36 am
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Curbie wrote:
> I'm drawn to your use of the word "canceling", I've been using the
> word "countering" in my notes and I know they're two different words
> with essentially the same meaning with no real significants to these
> problems, but any excuse to rewrite my notes will force a much needed
> review at this point.
>
> I'm still muddy on when to apply which ratio of sine, cosine, or
> tangent to solve for a particular force, I not looking for help with
> this just "thinking out loud", this answer seems to be the key to
> solving these problems and feel I will only properly understand its
> application through study and review.
>
> Thank you the efforts of this example, it should be obvious from this
> post that I still don't get it, but thanks to the efforts a you and
> others, feel like I am sneaking up on it.
>
> Curbie
> On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 19:02:45 -0600, david.williams@bayman.org (David
> Williams) wrote:
>
>
>
The mnemonic I learnt for right triangles was

"Old Horses All Have Old Aunties": O/H A/H O/A

Sine = Opposite/Hypotenuse
Cosine = Adjacent/Hypotenuse
Tangent = Opposite/Adjacent

Where Opposite and Adjacent refer to the side's relationship to the
angle in question.

Silly, but I don't forget.

When calculating loading forces for engineering purposes don't forget
that static forces are only half the story, for example the static
lateral force on the base is nominally zero, but if it were unrestrained
the tower wouldn't stand up for long. Winds can produce unequal drag
above and below the guys (wherever you put them) and can set up bending
and oscillations which will confound your static calculations. And
maybe you need to allow for a maintenance man climbing the tower.

That's why engineers tend to use large safety margins.


Tim Jackson

Posted by Jim Wilkins on March 3, 2009, 9:23 am
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> Curbie wrote:
...
http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~struct/courseware/461/461_lectures/461_lecture=
7/461_lecture7.html

Find the right words and Google them.

Posted by Curbie on March 3, 2009, 1:05 pm
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On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 06:23:37 -0800 (PST), Jim Wilkins
>http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~struct/courseware/461/461_lectures/461_lecture7/461_lecture7.html
>
>Find the right words and Google them.
A cursory review of the lecture looks promising. I'll chase it before
updating my notes. Still haven't revisited Critical Buckling Load of a
columns, but since this stuff applies the loads, any meaningfully
understanding that will depend in this. First things first.

Thanks for the light.

Curbie


Posted by Curbie on March 3, 2009, 12:38 pm
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On Tue, 03 Mar 2009 10:36:34 +0000, Tim Jackson

>Curbie wrote:
>> I'm drawn to your use of the word "canceling", I've been using the
>> word "countering" in my notes and I know they're two different words
>> with essentially the same meaning with no real significants to these
>> problems, but any excuse to rewrite my notes will force a much needed
>> review at this point.
>>
>> I'm still muddy on when to apply which ratio of sine, cosine, or
>> tangent to solve for a particular force, I not looking for help with
>> this just "thinking out loud", this answer seems to be the key to
>> solving these problems and feel I will only properly understand its
>> application through study and review.
>>
>> Thank you the efforts of this example, it should be obvious from this
>> post that I still don't get it, but thanks to the efforts a you and
>> others, feel like I am sneaking up on it.
>>
>> Curbie
>> On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 19:02:45 -0600, david.williams@bayman.org (David
>> Williams) wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>The mnemonic I learnt for right triangles was
>
>"Old Horses All Have Old Aunties": O/H A/H O/A
>
>Sine = Opposite/Hypotenuse
>Cosine = Adjacent/Hypotenuse
>Tangent = Opposite/Adjacent
The mnemonic I've been using is:
Some Old Hippy Caught Another Hippy Tripping On Acid
(mnemonic for remembering ratios of sine, cosine and tangent)
Sinb = Opposite / Hypotenuse Cosb = Adjacent / Hypotenuse Tanb =
Opposite / Adjacent
I relate to it better, and therefor the mnemonic easier to remeber.
>
>Where Opposite and Adjacent refer to the side's relationship to the
>angle in question.
>
When putting together my cheesy little spreadsheet to study angles I
ported some Internet Java script equations for the calculations of the
beta angle from ratio of sinb, cosb, or tanb. I think the porting
(which is second nature for me) was faster in reaching the
destination, but I missed something in sort cutting the journey. my
mind just focuses on things it doesn't understand and dumps everything
else on the subject until the details are tidied up. I just have to go
after it again.
>Silly, but I don't forget.
>
>When calculating loading forces for engineering purposes don't forget
>that static forces are only half the story, for example the static
>lateral force on the base is nominally zero, but if it were unrestrained
>the tower wouldn't stand up for long. Winds can produce unequal drag
>above and below the guys (wherever you put them) and can set up bending
>and oscillations which will confound your static calculations. And
>maybe you need to allow for a maintenance man climbing the tower.
>
>That's why engineers tend to use large safety margins.
>
>
>Tim Jackson

Thanks.

Curbie

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