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Re: Diesel from new/used wast oil...? Steve Ackman 07-06-2008
Posted by Steve Ackman on July 6, 2008, 1:06 am
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13:54:10 -0400, Piccolo Pete, not@home.com wrote:
>
> So a lot of the alternative fuel people are lying to us about peanut oil
> being the original fuel of design for diesels and alcohol being the same for
> present gasoline motors?
>
> I've read some very interesting articles on how Henry Ford originally
> intended his internal combustion engine to run on alcohol from farmers, but
> Rockefeller paid big bucks to the prohibition movement to outlaw alcohol and
> destroy his competition. It all made perfect sense to me at the time, but
> if that isn't true, then shame on those people propagating such fairy
> tales...

From http://www.worldaudit.org/Hugh%20Downs%20re%20Hemp.htm
(Transcript of Hugh Downs commentary on hemp, for ABC News, NY, 11/90:)

...
At one time marijuana seemed to have a promising future as a
cornerstone of industry. When Rudolph Diesel produced his famous engine
in 1896, he assumed that the diesel engine would be powered by a variety
of fuels, especially vegetable and seed oils. Rudolph Diesel, like most
engineers then, believed vegetable fuels were superior to petroleum.
Hemp is the most efficient vegetable.

In the 1930s the Ford Motor Company also saw a future in biomass
fuels. Ford operated a successful biomass conversion plant, that
included hemp, at their Iron Mountain facility in Michigan. Ford
engineers extracted methanol, charcoal fuel, tar, pitch, ethyl-acetate
and creosote. All fundamental ingredients for modern industry and now
supplied by oil-related industries.[2]

The difference is that the vegetable source is renewable, cheap and
clean, and the petroleum or coal sources are limited, expensive and
dirty. By volume, 30% of the hemp seed contains oil suitable for
high-grade diesel fuel as well as aircraft engine and precision machine
oil.

Henry Ford's experiments with methanol promised cheap, readily
renewable fuel. And if you think methanol means compromise, you should
know that many modern race cars run on methanol.

...

Posted by Piccolo Pete on July 6, 2008, 1:48 am
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> 13:54:10 -0400, Piccolo Pete, not@home.com wrote:
>>
>> So a lot of the alternative fuel people are lying to us about peanut oil
>> being the original fuel of design for diesels and alcohol being the same
>> for
>> present gasoline motors?
>>
>> I've read some very interesting articles on how Henry Ford originally
>> intended his internal combustion engine to run on alcohol from farmers,
>> but
>> Rockefeller paid big bucks to the prohibition movement to outlaw alcohol
>> and
>> destroy his competition. It all made perfect sense to me at the time,
>> but
>> if that isn't true, then shame on those people propagating such fairy
>> tales...
>
> From http://www.worldaudit.org/Hugh%20Downs%20re%20Hemp.htm
> (Transcript of Hugh Downs commentary on hemp, for ABC News, NY, 11/90:)
>
> ...
> At one time marijuana seemed to have a promising future as a
> cornerstone of industry. When Rudolph Diesel produced his famous engine
> in 1896, he assumed that the diesel engine would be powered by a variety
> of fuels, especially vegetable and seed oils. Rudolph Diesel, like most
> engineers then, believed vegetable fuels were superior to petroleum.
> Hemp is the most efficient vegetable.
>
> In the 1930s the Ford Motor Company also saw a future in biomass
> fuels. Ford operated a successful biomass conversion plant, that
> included hemp, at their Iron Mountain facility in Michigan. Ford
> engineers extracted methanol, charcoal fuel, tar, pitch, ethyl-acetate
> and creosote. All fundamental ingredients for modern industry and now
> supplied by oil-related industries.[2]

Um, well, yeah, I've cleaned out my share of pipes.... Burns well the
second time around.

> The difference is that the vegetable source is renewable, cheap and
> clean, and the petroleum or coal sources are limited, expensive and
> dirty. By volume, 30% of the hemp seed contains oil suitable for
> high-grade diesel fuel as well as aircraft engine and precision machine
> oil.
>
> Henry Ford's experiments with methanol promised cheap, readily
> renewable fuel. And if you think methanol means compromise, you should
> know that many modern race cars run on methanol.

Excellent post in my opinion. Might also explain why hemp is illegal to
grow in the US.



Posted by Steve Ackman on July 7, 2008, 12:28 pm
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01:48:21 -0400, Piccolo Pete, not@home.com wrote:
>

>> From http://www.worldaudit.org/Hugh%20Downs%20re%20Hemp.htm
>> (Transcript of Hugh Downs commentary on hemp, for ABC News, NY, 11/90:)
>>
>> ...
>> At one time marijuana seemed to have a promising future as a
>> cornerstone of industry. When Rudolph Diesel produced his famous engine
>> in 1896, he assumed that the diesel engine would be powered by a variety
>> of fuels, especially vegetable and seed oils. Rudolph Diesel, like most
>> engineers then, believed vegetable fuels were superior to petroleum.
>> Hemp is the most efficient vegetable.
>>
>> In the 1930s the Ford Motor Company also saw a future in biomass
>> fuels. Ford operated a successful biomass conversion plant, that
>> included hemp, at their Iron Mountain facility in Michigan. Ford
>> engineers extracted methanol, charcoal fuel, tar, pitch, ethyl-acetate
>> and creosote. All fundamental ingredients for modern industry and now
>> supplied by oil-related industries.[2]
>
> Um, well, yeah, I've cleaned out my share of pipes.... Burns well the
> second time around.
>
>> The difference is that the vegetable source is renewable, cheap and
>> clean, and the petroleum or coal sources are limited, expensive and
>> dirty. By volume, 30% of the hemp seed contains oil suitable for
>> high-grade diesel fuel as well as aircraft engine and precision machine
>> oil.
>>
>> Henry Ford's experiments with methanol promised cheap, readily
>> renewable fuel. And if you think methanol means compromise, you should
>> know that many modern race cars run on methanol.
>
> Excellent post in my opinion. Might also explain why hemp is illegal to
> grow in the US.

You might also enjoy "The Emperor Wears No Clothes" then.

http://www.jackherer.com/chapters.html

Posted by daestrom on July 7, 2008, 7:38 pm
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Steve Ackman wrote:
> 13:54:10 -0400, Piccolo Pete, not@home.com wrote:
>>
<snip>
>
> In the 1930s the Ford Motor Company also saw a future in biomass
> fuels. Ford operated a successful biomass conversion plant, that
> included hemp, at their Iron Mountain facility in Michigan. Ford
> engineers extracted methanol, charcoal fuel, tar, pitch, ethyl-acetate
> and creosote. All fundamental ingredients for modern industry and now
> supplied by oil-related industries.[2]
>
> The difference is that the vegetable source is renewable, cheap and
> clean, and the petroleum or coal sources are limited, expensive and
> dirty. By volume, 30% of the hemp seed contains oil suitable for
> high-grade diesel fuel as well as aircraft engine and precision
> machine oil.
>
> Henry Ford's experiments with methanol promised cheap, readily
> renewable fuel. And if you think methanol means compromise, you should
> know that many modern race cars run on methanol.
>

ISTR that some of the very early IC engines even ran on dry-cleaning fluid
(naptha). Some early motor-boats used for yachting also used naptha (seen
one at an antique boat museum up on Clayton NY)

http://www.abm.org/

daestrom


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