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Subject Author Date Re: Lifestyle vs system design Steve Spence 08-22-2007  Re: Lifestyle vs system design bealiba 08-22-2007  Re: Lifestyle vs system design wmbjkREMOVE 08-22-2007
Posted by Steve Spence on August 22, 2007, 4:44 pm Please log in for more thread options > On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 05:51:17 -0000, bealiba@gmail.com wrote: > >>, so, this is my >>advice; >> >>Go to http://www.green-trust.org/2003/pvsizing/default.htm and >>download the system sizing >>spread sheet there. I'm sorry, but it is a real pig of a spread sheet >>to use, still it is pretty much the correct formula for the job. After >>all, Steve has gone to great lengths to make me out as giving bad >>advice and tell you that my spread sheet is no good while at the same >>time offers what is the same formula on his site. >> >>As a nice little test to get you started you can apply this SS to the >>off grid cabin design offered on the same site. See if it balances. >>Hell, see if you can find the numbers. >> >>Then go wild, check everybody's claims, and that includes mine. > Wayne, Did george actually claim I said his spreadsheet was bad? I've never seen his spreadsheet. And now he's actually claiming my formula is correct, after all those years of saying it was wrong? wow .... -- Steve Spence Director, Green-Trust http://www.green-trust.org http://www.green-trust.org/bookshop/ Posted by on August 22, 2007, 6:39 pm Please log in for more thread options > > > > > > On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 05:51:17 -0000, beal...@gmail.com wrote: > > >>, so, this is my > >>advice; > > >>Go to http://www.green-trust.org/2003/pvsizing/default.htm and > >>download the system sizing > >>spread sheet there. I'm sorry, but it is a real pig of a spread sheet > >>to use, still it is pretty much the correct formula for the job. After > >>all, Steve has gone to great lengths to make me out as giving bad > >>advice and tell you that my spread sheet is no good while at the same > >>time offers what is the same formula on his site. > > >>As a nice little test to get you started you can apply this SS to the > >>off grid cabin design offered on the same site. See if it balances. > >>Hell, see if you can find the numbers. > > >>Then go wild, check everybody's claims, and that includes mine. > > Wayne, Did george actually claim I said his spreadsheet was bad? I've never > seen his spreadsheet. And now he's actually claiming my formula is correct, > after all those years of saying it was wrong? wow .... > > -- > Steve Spence > Director, Green-Trusthttp://www.green-trust.orghttp://www.green-trust.org/bookshop/ Hi Steve. I in fact said that your spreadsheet is incorrect. The Temp correction numbers are out. The spreadsheet is a dogs breakfast to use. It take up far more space than required. It still gives an answer that is close enough. Posted by on August 22, 2007, 8:41 pm Please log in for more thread options On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:44:31 -0400, "Steve Spence" > > >> On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 05:51:17 -0000, bealiba@gmail.com wrote: >> > >>>, so, this is my >>>advice; >>> >>>Go to http://www.green-trust.org/2003/pvsizing/default.htm and >>>download the system sizing >>>spread sheet there. I'm sorry, but it is a real pig of a spread sheet >>>to use, still it is pretty much the correct formula for the job. After >>>all, Steve has gone to great lengths to make me out as giving bad >>>advice and tell you that my spread sheet is no good while at the same >>>time offers what is the same formula on his site. >>> >>>As a nice little test to get you started you can apply this SS to the >>>off grid cabin design offered on the same site. See if it balances. >>>Hell, see if you can find the numbers. >>> >>>Then go wild, check everybody's claims, and that includes mine. >> > >Wayne, Did george actually claim I said his spreadsheet was bad? Not that I remember. But *I* said it wasn't very good. As I recall, it used daily numbers where a week's average would be better, and worst case where actual would be better. It also had built-in math errors because the nitwit doesn't understand some basic concepts. And the proof is in the pudding - George himself has blamed that spreadsheet for some of the GIGO he's posted here. I think the reason he only makes it available by email is the same reason he never allowed his "book" to be reviewed - because he thinks that limited viewing will lessen the opportunity for criticism. The strategy doesn't seem to be working very well, these two sites seem to expand every time he attacks someone. http://www.lowexpecations.com/ http://www.citlink.net/~wmbjk/tbfduwisdumb.htm Having gazed at my emai... er, crystal ball, I predict that Bill B. will be here shortly to tell us he's made another update. :-) > I've never >seen his spreadsheet. And now he's actually claiming my formula is correct, >after all those years of saying it was wrong? wow .... I don't see why you're surprised, he can't even keep track of his claims about his *own* place. Not that he'll admit to any dissembling. For example, according to him, 20 liters of fuel per fortnight and 20 liters per week are somehow *both* correct! 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