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Posted by Solar Flare on January 29, 2008, 9:55 am
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Can you either, trim these useless posts or stop bottom posting?
> bealiba@gmail.com wrote:
>>> beal...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> beal...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> beal...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Is it just me or is solar energy really just a sham. The way
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> figure
>>>>>>>>> it we would have to cover 14 million sq km with PV cells by
>>>>>>>>> 2050
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> satisfy world enery needs, assuming current growth rates and
>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>> other things being equal. Worse, owing to inefficiencies in
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> system solar PV will actually add to global warming. PV
>>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>>> look
>>>>>>>>> good on the roof, it might 'feel good' but it isn't going to
>>>>>>>>> solve
>>>>>>>>> the problems we face.
>>>
>>>>>>>> It's just you.;-)
>>>
>>>>>>>> Reality - PV alone will not solve the world's energy
>>>>>>>> problems.
>>>>>>>> No
>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>> who is not on medication has ever said it would.
>>>
>>>>>>>> But, solar and gravitational energy
>>>
>>>>>>> "gravitational energy"? Other than hydroelectric how do you
>>>>>>> generate
>>>>>>> power using gravitational energy?
>>>
>>>>>> The other major source of energy from gravity is of course
>>>>>> tidal.
>>>
>>>>>>>> will be able to provide a large
>>>>>>>> part of the solution for world's future energy needs.
>>>
>>>>>>>> OTOH, the real problem is that the west seems set on
>>>>>>>> replicating
>>>>>>>> wasteful energy practices from the past with renewables,
>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>> learning to use less energy to run their homes.
>>>
>>>>>>> So tell us how to use less energy to run our homes.
>>>
>>>>>> Most people start with more efficient lighting. Then of course
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> is better insulation, turning the heat down 2 - 4 degrees and
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> AC
>>>>>> up a couple of degrees. Or just build a house that does not
>>>>>> need
>>>>>> AC
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> all. Most people could reduce their energy use by up to a third
>>>>>> without any discomfort at all.
>>>
>>>>> You say that "most people" could do all this. Do you have
>>>>> statistics
>>>>> on the temperatures at which people keep their houses? Or on
>>>>> the
>>>>> percentage of people who do _not_ use "more efficient lighting"?
>>>
>>>> Why, do you have statistics that show I'm wrong?
>>>
>>> You made the assertion. It's up to you to support it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> If you think "just build a house" is an option for most people
>>>>> then
>>>>> you have lived a sheltered and overprivileged existence.
>>>
>>>> You have picked the wrong argument with the wrong person. I have
>>>> not
>>>> led either a sheltered and over privileged existence. And I built
>>>> a
>>>> house. and when I say that, it is the truth. And I did it without
>>>> borrowing a cent from the bank, had a heart attack during the
>>>> building, finished the house, became a designer and installer of
>>>> solar
>>>> power, got a diploma of art and raised a family. Am I
>>>> independently
>>>> wealthy? No, just persistent.
>>>
>>>>> And right now I'm cold. The thermostat is set to 68. If I set
>>>>> it
>>>>> to
>>>>> 64 then I'm going to be _really_ uncomfortable. Yeah, there are
>>>>> drafts in the house. Yeah, I can fix them. Right now I have
>>>>> other
>>>>> priorities, like keeping the rain out. Maybe instead of buying
>>>>> the
>>>>> "handyman special" I should have paid rent for another couple of
>>>>> decades so I could afford to have a custom-built solar like you
>>>>> have.
>>>
>>>> Really, 68F and you're cold,
>>>
>>> 68F at the thermostat. That doesn't mean 68 where I'm sitting.
>>
>> Put on some clothes.
>>>
>>>> right at the moment it is 20C in my
>>>> house. Very comfortable.
>>>
>>> I'm happy for you.
>>>
>>>> Work it out, 68F is 20C. So either you are
>>>> bare assed naked, unwell or your heating is malfunctioning. My
>>>> solar
>>>> is custom built, if "Custom Built" means I built it myself.
>>>
>>> There are other possibilities, and a careful reading would have
>>> shown
>>> that I specifically mentioned one of them.
>>>
>>> There's also the little issue that what is cold to you is hot to
>>> someone else and vice versa. If you've never lived with someone
>>> who
>>> was comfortable at a different temperature from you then you are
>>> blessed.
>>>
>>> Nice that you can afford a custom built house. Most people aren't
>>> that wealthy. Nice that you can afford the time to build a house.
>>> Most people have to work.
>>
>> Yes, it is nice to have a custom built house.
>>
>> But, as I told you, that argument don't wash with me. I built our
>> house while I was unemployed, while recovering from a heat attack,
>> while working as a welder/truck driver at the quarry and going to
>> school, while I was designing and installing solar power system
>> across three states, while in school again, while raising two kids,
>> while going to school yet again. What was your excuse again? Lack
>> of
>> time was it, or just lack of backbone?
>
> First, if you're expecting every person in the world to build their
> own house then you're a damned fool, and second, since you've chosen
> to personalize this, with your "lack of backbone" comment,
>
> <plonk>
> <remainder snipped>
>
> Oh, and http://www.amishrakefight.org/gfy/.
>
> --
> --
> --John
> to email, dial "usenet" and validate
> (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
>
>
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