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Really-Basic Transfer Switch Question... (PeteCresswell) 05-06-2008
Posted by Pete C. on May 10, 2008, 8:01 pm
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Bruce in alaska wrote:
>
>
> > - When one flips the transfer switch, it cuts off the
> > outside line and routes the generator's output to
> > the breaker box.
> >
> > - One controls the max load on the generator partially by
> > flipping breakers in the breaker box. e.g. For a single
> > EU2000, AC=OFF, KitchenStove=OFF, ElectricDryer=OFF.
> >
> > - All of the above seems to me to imply a single "circuit"
> > in the transfer switch
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > If the above is correct, what are multiple "circuits" on the
> > transfer switch used for?
> >
> > Maybe to front end different things like AC, ElectricDryer,
> > KitchenStove, and "everything else"....thereby relieving the
> > operator of the need to flip breakers back-and-forth when
> > going between gennie and outside power?
> > --
> > PeteCresswell
>
> One BIG problem, with the above IS:
> If your Genset Output is significantly Smaller, than the normal load
> of your house, then you have NO Over-Current Protection for the Genset.
> If you make a small mistake, in your loading of the Genset, like
> having Momma forget, and turn on the oven or starting the Microwave,
> while vacuuming the bedroom, your going to let the MAGIC SMOKE out of
> the Stator Windings of your Genset, at minimum, and end up with a pile
> of Copper Slag in the Genend Housing, or burning the house down at a
> Maximum. You really need to have an appropriately sized Breaker between
> the Genset and the Transfer Switch, to protect the Genset from
> Over-Current. (appropriately being Genset Maximum Current Rating, plus
> say 5%)

What???? Every consumer generator has on board overcurrent protection,
and the EU2000i the OP referenced is no exception. If the OP switched in
too much load for the EU, he would just find himself in the dark again
and have to go reset the generator circuit breaker after correcting the
load situation.

Posted by Bruce in alaska on May 11, 2008, 1:09 pm
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> What???? Every consumer generator has on board overcurrent protection,
> and the EU2000i the OP referenced is no exception. If the OP switched in
> too much load for the EU, he would just find himself in the dark again
> and have to go reset the generator circuit breaker after correcting the
> load situation.

Every UL Rated Consumer Generator built in the last 5 years, Maybe....
BUT the OP didn't specify the Genset he was using, and there are
literally thousands of Gensets out in the wild, that came from RV's
and other places that DON'T have built in Breakers. Like ALL the CCK,
NH, BE, type Onans, RM, CK, CKM Series Kohlers, and just about every
Lister or Lister type Powered Gensets. Not everyone in the world buys
New Equipment, that was designed for Uninformed Installations.

--
Bruce in alaska
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Posted by (PeteCresswell) on May 11, 2008, 5:11 pm
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Per Bruce in alaska:
>Every UL Rated Consumer Generator built in the last 5 years, Maybe....
>BUT the OP didn't specify the Genset he was using, and there are
>literally thousands of Gensets out in the wild, that came from RV's
>and other places that DON'T have built in Breakers. Like ALL the CCK,
>NH, BE, type Onans, RM, CK, CKM Series Kohlers, and just about every
>Lister or Lister type Powered Gensets. Not everyone in the world buys
>New Equipment, that was designed for Uninformed Installations.

Op owns an EU2000.

But your comment is relevant bc when I do install a transfer
switch it will be 30 amp/7500 watt no matter what.

For the extra hundred dollars, it seems worthwhile not tb locked
into any particular generator capacity.
--
PeteCresswell

Posted by Pete C. on May 11, 2008, 10:50 pm
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Bruce in alaska wrote:
>
>
> > What???? Every consumer generator has on board overcurrent protection,
> > and the EU2000i the OP referenced is no exception. If the OP switched in
> > too much load for the EU, he would just find himself in the dark again
> > and have to go reset the generator circuit breaker after correcting the
> > load situation.
>
> Every UL Rated Consumer Generator built in the last 5 years, Maybe....
> BUT the OP didn't specify the Genset he was using, and there are
> literally thousands of Gensets out in the wild, that came from RV's
> and other places that DON'T have built in Breakers. Like ALL the CCK,
> NH, BE, type Onans, RM, CK, CKM Series Kohlers, and just about every
> Lister or Lister type Powered Gensets. Not everyone in the world buys
> New Equipment, that was designed for Uninformed Installations.
>
> --
> Bruce in alaska
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The OP indicated EU2000i in his Friday post actually.

I'm sure there are some gensets out there with no breakers, however I've
not run across one. Even my 1944 vintage 25KW set has a main breaker.
I've seen a lot of RV generators and they've all had local breakers on
the genset too.

Posted by Vaughn Simon on May 12, 2008, 6:06 am
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>
> I've seen a lot of RV generators and they've all had local breakers on
> the genset too.

Not mine.

Vaughn



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