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Posted by Ulysses on April 13, 2008, 5:07 pm
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> >Interesting idea. Sounds possible. I don't know how the process works
but
> >if you put beans in my body a large quantity of methane gas is produced
in a
> >short period of time. There must be more efficient ways to get the gas
out
> >of there. I've noticed that algae grows very rapidly under the right
> >conditions so I think you are on to something there. Maybe algae working
on
> >the beans I don't know if you need a PHD to get a government grant but
many
> >of the ideas presented in this NG certainly have a lot more merit than
some
> >of the crap the people DO get grants for. OTOH I read somewhere that the
> >government recently spend tons of money try to *prevent* beans from
making
> >gas because flatulation was contributing to global warming.
>
> Funny, beans do the same thing to me. Visualize a tube running from your
seat to
> your engine. "Eat more beans, Ma. We got another mile til home!"
This is why beans will never be eaten in space. Cause of death: methane
poisoning in spacesuit.
>
> Seems to me that something set up along the lines of conventional
fermentation would
> be more practical. There are very aggressive strains of yeast now
available that
> will continue to work in high alcohol concentrations. I can envision a
continuous
> process where wort is taken from the fermenter, filtered and
low-temperature
> distilled in a continuous process, with the reduced alcohol content
bottoms fed back
> into the fermenter.
>
> I would expect this to run continuously until some other impurity built up
in the
> wort sufficiently strong to inhibit the yeast. Then simply start another
batch.
I started thinking along the lines (using my intestines as a model) of a
tank filled with whatever it is that works, heated by sunlight (a couple of
parabolic reflectors if needed) continuously producing some kind of
flammable gas connected directly to an engine. A water trap would probably
be necessary.
>
> If what I read is correct, they've developed yeast strains that digest
cellulosive
> fibers as well as sugars. If that isn't true then one should be able to
set up
> another digester to feed the fermenter. The digester could contain
bacteria like are
> in the stomach of a cow that do the cellulose to food conversion. I
understand those
> bacteria produce lots of methane too.
>
> Out the other end, ethanol would be a LOT easier to handle than either
hydrogen or
> methane. A little more work than a simple digester but if one has access
to a junk
> yard...
>
Ok, so maybe it can make methane, alcohol, and cook beans. Kinda like a
portable Cinco de Mayo festival.
Now I'm wondering how much gas is being produced by my septic tank. That
can't work because it's too obvious.
>
> >As for the "save the grass" people I'm pretty sure there are a lot of
people
> >opposed to cutting bamboo in China because it's the Panda's primary food.
>
> Only problem I see with bamboo is that it takes a LONG time to dry. I
have a stand
> of bamboo on one of my properties. When the stuff is still growing the
space between
> the dividers is filled with a moist substance. It takes a great deal of
time for a
> mature stalk to dry. Perhaps running the harvested stalks through a
sorghum crusher
> would speed things up.
>
> >Here we have people going around trying to save rattlesnakes. The way I
> >look at it is every time I kill a rattlesnake I'm saving the lives of
dozens
> >of kangaroo rats. They want to save those too. They probably also want
to
> >save whatever it is the kangaroo rats eat. In any case bamboo sounds
like a
> >good possiblity.
>
> Knuckle-headed state game people here have imported 1500 copperhead snakes
to the
> Hiwassee basin, claiming that the wild hogs have reduced the population
too low.
> About 0 population is about right to me. You really have to wonder what
kind of
> government drug those people are taking to come up with crazy ideas like
that...
Wow. Maybe it's really part of the human population control. Personally I
have no sympathy for any snake that needs to have poisonous fangs in order
to eat. King snakes and Gopher snakes seem to get along just fine without
them. If I see a gopher snake crossing the road I wait until it passes. If
I see a rattlesnake I run over it, back up, and run over it again. I don't
know about copperheads but rattlesnakes will stand there and dare you to
shoot them again. What do the hogs do with them? Just kill them because
they hate them?
>
> Meanwhile many of us are working diligently to send the population back to
0.
>
> John
> --
> John De Armond
> See my website for my current email address
> http://www.neon-john.com
> http://www.johndearmond.com <-- best little blog on the net!
> Tellico Plains, Occupied TN
> No one can be right all of the time but I'm getting close.
>
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