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Would This Work? Curlyque 06-01-2008
Posted by Eeyore on June 1, 2008, 8:48 pm
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Ken Maltby wrote:

>
> > Piezo crystals make small amounts of electricity when they vibrate.
> >
> > LEDs use small amounts of electricity.
> >
> > Would the typical vibrations around a home excite the crystals enough to
> > light LEDs, or would it just take too many crystals to be practical?
> >
> > Or is it just a stupid idea to begin with?
>
> It was my understanding that the crystals worked
> under compression, not simple vibration.

Vibration can cause compression. Piezo devices have been used in audio
transducers for many many decades.

Graham


Posted by Ken Maltby on June 1, 2008, 10:12 pm
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>
>
> Ken Maltby wrote:
>
>>
>> > Piezo crystals make small amounts of electricity when they vibrate.
>> >
>> > LEDs use small amounts of electricity.
>> >
>> > Would the typical vibrations around a home excite the crystals enough
>> > to
>> > light LEDs, or would it just take too many crystals to be practical?
>> >
>> > Or is it just a stupid idea to begin with?
>>
>> It was my understanding that the crystals worked
>> under compression, not simple vibration.
>
> Vibration can cause compression. Piezo devices have been used in audio
> transducers for many many decades.
>
> Graham
>

True, with a design that creates that effect, like a record needle's
movement against the piezo device, as the other end of the needle
follows the groove of a record. Or the piezoelectro device(s) that
formed the active part of some telephone handsets.

For power generation, all the experiments I've read about use
some form of direct compression. The most interesting used a
number of pyramids of piezo devices ganged together. (Sorta
like the way peltiers are formed into pyramids to reach lower
temp.) Alternating pyramids and up side down pyramids form
a layer that is compressed between top and bottom plates.

Luck;
Ken






Posted by Eeyore on June 2, 2008, 4:21 am
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Ken Maltby wrote:

> "Eeyore" wrote in message
> > Ken Maltby wrote:
> >> "Curlyque" wrote
> >>
> >> > Piezo crystals make small amounts of electricity when they vibrate.
> >> >
> >> > LEDs use small amounts of electricity.
> >> >
> >> > Would the typical vibrations around a home excite the crystals enough
> >> > to light LEDs, or would it just take too many crystals to be practical?
>
> >> >
> >> > Or is it just a stupid idea to begin with?
> >>
> >> It was my understanding that the crystals worked
> >> under compression, not simple vibration.
> >
> > Vibration can cause compression. Piezo devices have been used in audio
> > transducers for many many decades.
>
> True, with a design that creates that effect, like a record needle's
> movement against the piezo device, as the other end of the needle
> follows the groove of a record. Or the piezoelectro device(s) that
> formed the active part of some telephone handsets.
>
> For power generation, all the experiments I've read about use
> some form of direct compression. The most interesting used a
> number of pyramids of piezo devices ganged together. (Sorta
> like the way peltiers are formed into pyramids to reach lower
> temp.) Alternating pyramids and up side down pyramids form
> a layer that is compressed between top and bottom plates.

There are additionally some 'piezo transformers'. These are bar shaped (like
one leg of a tuning fork) and one end is excited to make it oscillate at
presumably its natural frequency, whilst power is taken out as a higher
voltage IIRC at the other end. The Japanese seemed to be into this. It's a
niche technology though.


Graham


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