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convert gen toelect start? Eric 04-12-2007
Posted by Eric on April 12, 2007, 12:00 am
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I've got a 11hp 5kw McCulloch pull start generator, was wondering if it
could be converted somehow to use the gen as a starter motor to start the
engine, then run as a generator?
Thanks,
Eric


Posted by Neon John on April 12, 2007, 8:58 am
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>I've got a 11hp 5kw McCulloch pull start generator, was wondering if it
>could be converted somehow to use the gen as a starter motor to start the
>engine, then run as a generator?
>Thanks,
>Eric

Possible? Yes. Practical? Probably not.

Here's what is involved.

First, the field must be excited much more strongly than for normal
operation. This aids in producing enough torque to turn over the cold
engine. If yours is a brushless design then slip rings and brushes
must be fitted.

Provisions would have to be made to reconfigure the stator to 2 and
ideally, 3 phase configuration. This would involve a number of power
contactors.

A custom solid state variable speed drive would have to be designed to
draw power from the available source (12vdc? 24vdc maybe) and invert
it to the type of drive the stator would require. What we've created
is essentially a crude stepper motor with a wound rotor.

Because this lashup still won't generate much torque, you'll probably
have to arrange a valve lifter compression release.

I had an Onan AJ one time that used the generator to crank the engine
but it had a separate high current DC series field and a separate
commutator on the rotor just for starting. Normal output was from a
pair of adjacent slip rings. It had an oil pressure-operated valve
lifter that let the engine spin up a little before cranking commenced.

Assuming that this generator of yours is a modern one where McCullough
is just a name stuck on the side, then it probably has a Briggs
engine. Converting that to electric start involves little more than
buying the kit and attaching it. You might have to drill and tap the
mounting bosses for the starter motor and you might have to buy a
flywheel equipped with a ring gear.

Or just sell the thing and buy one already equipped with electric
start. Given how cheap the lower end generators have become, you'd be
dollars ahead even if you didn't get much for your old one.

John
---
John De Armond
See my website for my current email address
http://www.neon-john.com
Cleveland, Occupied TN
All great things are simple and many can be expressed in single words:
Freedom, Justice, Honor, Duty, Mercy, Hope. -Churchill

Posted by Arnold Walker on April 12, 2007, 2:50 pm
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>
>>I've got a 11hp 5kw McCulloch pull start generator, was wondering if it
>>could be converted somehow to use the gen as a starter motor to start the
>>engine, then run as a generator?
>>Thanks,
>>Eric
>
> Possible? Yes. Practical? Probably not.
>
> Here's what is involved.
>
> First, the field must be excited much more strongly than for normal
> operation. This aids in producing enough torque to turn over the cold
> engine. If yours is a brushless design then slip rings and brushes
> must be fitted.
>
> Provisions would have to be made to reconfigure the stator to 2 and
> ideally, 3 phase configuration. This would involve a number of power
> contactors.
>
> A custom solid state variable speed drive would have to be designed to
> draw power from the available source (12vdc? 24vdc maybe) and invert
> it to the type of drive the stator would require. What we've created
> is essentially a crude stepper motor with a wound rotor.
>
> Because this lashup still won't generate much torque, you'll probably
> have to arrange a valve lifter compression release.
>
> I had an Onan AJ one time that used the generator to crank the engine
> but it had a separate high current DC series field and a separate
> commutator on the rotor just for starting. Normal output was from a
> pair of adjacent slip rings. It had an oil pressure-operated valve
> lifter that let the engine spin up a little before cranking commenced.
>
> Assuming that this generator of yours is a modern one where McCullough
> is just a name stuck on the side, then it probably has a Briggs
> engine. Converting that to electric start involves little more than
> buying the kit and attaching it. You might have to drill and tap the
> mounting bosses for the starter motor and you might have to buy a
> flywheel equipped with a ring gear.
>
> Or just sell the thing and buy one already equipped with electric
> start. Given how cheap the lower end generators have become, you'd be
> dollars ahead even if you didn't get much for your old one.
>
> John
The old cub cadet garden tractor used a starter -generator on thier Koler
engine.
That idea died when they went to alternators for longer service life.
>



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Posted by Eric on April 17, 2007, 12:06 am
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Neon John wrote:

>
>>I've got a 11hp 5kw McCulloch pull start generator, was wondering if it
>>could be converted somehow to use the gen as a starter motor to start the
>>engine, then run as a generator?
>>Thanks,
>>Eric
>
> Possible? Yes. Practical? Probably not.
>
> Here's what is involved.
>
> First, the field must be excited much more strongly than for normal
> operation. This aids in producing enough torque to turn over the cold
> engine. If yours is a brushless design then slip rings and brushes
> must be fitted.
>
> Provisions would have to be made to reconfigure the stator to 2 and
> ideally, 3 phase configuration. This would involve a number of power
> contactors.
>
> A custom solid state variable speed drive would have to be designed to
> draw power from the available source (12vdc? 24vdc maybe) and invert
> it to the type of drive the stator would require. What we've created
> is essentially a crude stepper motor with a wound rotor.
>
> Because this lashup still won't generate much torque, you'll probably
> have to arrange a valve lifter compression release.
>
> I had an Onan AJ one time that used the generator to crank the engine
> but it had a separate high current DC series field and a separate
> commutator on the rotor just for starting. Normal output was from a
> pair of adjacent slip rings. It had an oil pressure-operated valve
> lifter that let the engine spin up a little before cranking commenced.
>
> Assuming that this generator of yours is a modern one where McCullough
> is just a name stuck on the side, then it probably has a Briggs
> engine. Converting that to electric start involves little more than
> buying the kit and attaching it. You might have to drill and tap the
> mounting bosses for the starter motor and you might have to buy a
> flywheel equipped with a ring gear.
>
> Or just sell the thing and buy one already equipped with electric
> start. Given how cheap the lower end generators have become, you'd be
> dollars ahead even if you didn't get much for your old one.
>
> John
> ---
> John De Armond
> See my website for my current email address
> http://www.neon-john.com
> Cleveland, Occupied TN
> All great things are simple and many can be expressed in single words:
> Freedom, Justice, Honor, Duty, Mercy, Hope. -Churchill

ok, ok - I'll pull the rope! :-)
Eric
ps: but what if i...

Posted by You on April 17, 2007, 2:16 pm
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> Neon John wrote:
>
> >
> >>I've got a 11hp 5kw McCulloch pull start generator, was wondering if it
> >>could be converted somehow to use the gen as a starter motor to start the
> >>engine, then run as a generator?
> >>Thanks,
> >>Eric
> >
> > Possible? Yes. Practical? Probably not.
> >
> > Here's what is involved.
> >
> > First, the field must be excited much more strongly than for normal
> > operation. This aids in producing enough torque to turn over the cold
> > engine. If yours is a brushless design then slip rings and brushes
> > must be fitted.
> >
> > Provisions would have to be made to reconfigure the stator to 2 and
> > ideally, 3 phase configuration. This would involve a number of power
> > contactors.
> >
> > A custom solid state variable speed drive would have to be designed to
> > draw power from the available source (12vdc? 24vdc maybe) and invert
> > it to the type of drive the stator would require. What we've created
> > is essentially a crude stepper motor with a wound rotor.
> >
> > Because this lashup still won't generate much torque, you'll probably
> > have to arrange a valve lifter compression release.
> >
> > I had an Onan AJ one time that used the generator to crank the engine
> > but it had a separate high current DC series field and a separate
> > commutator on the rotor just for starting. Normal output was from a
> > pair of adjacent slip rings. It had an oil pressure-operated valve
> > lifter that let the engine spin up a little before cranking commenced.
> >
> > Assuming that this generator of yours is a modern one where McCullough
> > is just a name stuck on the side, then it probably has a Briggs
> > engine. Converting that to electric start involves little more than
> > buying the kit and attaching it. You might have to drill and tap the
> > mounting bosses for the starter motor and you might have to buy a
> > flywheel equipped with a ring gear.
> >
> > Or just sell the thing and buy one already equipped with electric
> > start. Given how cheap the lower end generators have become, you'd be
> > dollars ahead even if you didn't get much for your old one.
> >
> > John
> > ---
> > John De Armond
> > See my website for my current email address
> > http://www.neon-john.com
> > Cleveland, Occupied TN
> > All great things are simple and many can be expressed in single words:
> > Freedom, Justice, Honor, Duty, Mercy, Hope. -Churchill
>
> ok, ok - I'll pull the rope! :-)
> Eric
> ps: but what if i...


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