did I damage AVR (honda generator) ?

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did I damage AVR (honda generator) ? Mark 07-03-2008
Posted by ransley on July 3, 2008, 9:17 pm
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> ransley wrote:
> > How did you measure surge, with a digital meter that records the
> > peak?, ive seen new friges that use 100w pull 700w surge, and 300w
> > surge for AC sounds way to low.
>
> the inverter ac definitely runs as I described and is rated 790w max and =
7 amps as it
> starts off (yes, compressor is inverter controlled also and fully variabl=
e speed, not
> a two or three speed) very slowly and almost never draws more than 450w a=
nd 5 amps
>
> fridge is fairly new but even granting that it may pull 700w, shouldn't a=
honda gx390
> engine rated at 8000 watts, continuous 6600 watts easily handle this? it =
certainly has
> in the first 20 hours of it's operation and it didn't even speed struggle=
when things
> cycled on and off.
>
> I also know the full load based on power company having connected a data =
logger when
> running under utility power and we tested each circuit separately and mul=
tiple
> circuits simultaneously. The logger recorded spikes just as they occurred=
within
> thousands of a second fraction so am very confident of the total power dr=
aw of
> everything that is running when I connect generator.

Unless you confirm the logger is designed for recording a spike you
might use a good handheld meter to verify it

Posted by Tony Hwang on July 3, 2008, 9:32 pm
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Mark wrote:
> ransley wrote:
>> How did you measure surge, with a digital meter that records the
>> peak?, ive seen new friges that use 100w pull 700w surge, and 300w
>> surge for AC sounds way to low.
>
> the inverter ac definitely runs as I described and is rated 790w max and
> 7 amps as it starts off (yes, compressor is inverter controlled also and
> fully variable speed, not a two or three speed) very slowly and almost
> never draws more than 450w and 5 amps
>
> fridge is fairly new but even granting that it may pull 700w, shouldn't
> a honda gx390 engine rated at 8000 watts, continuous 6600 watts easily
> handle this? it certainly has in the first 20 hours of it's operation
> and it didn't even speed struggle when things cycled on and off.
>
> I also know the full load based on power company having connected a data
> logger when running under utility power and we tested each circuit
> separately and multiple circuits simultaneously. The logger recorded
> spikes just as they occurred within thousands of a second fraction so am
> very confident of the total power draw of everything that is running
> when I connect generator.
Hmmm,
Inverter running off AC? Conventionally inverter runs off DC for AC device.

Posted by Mark on July 3, 2008, 9:38 pm
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Tony Hwang wrote:
> Inverter running off AC? Conventionally inverter runs off DC for AC device.

the ac is a self-contained inverter system, built that way by japanese
manufacturer.
when it starts, you can not hear any sound due to the superslow speed of
compressor
which takes several minutes to reach running speed and it constantly varies it
according to sensors in the indoor blower computer board. even when running at
full
speed it remains silent.

the inverter converts AC to DC and back to AC, thus apparently producing a best
case
sine wave (what I've read from the manufacturer white papers)




Posted by Mark on July 4, 2008, 8:16 am
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Wade Lippman wrote:
> First of all, it is apparently a Northerntool with a honda engine, not a
> honda generator. Right?

as previously replied, you are correct, northstar 8000 PPG with honda GX390,
starter
motor and ignition key included.

am not familiar with how much of a distinguishing feature or how much it matters
as to
who puts a label on the outside of the unit, so allow me to ask :

how does a honda GX390 differ from one label to another? they appear to all have
the
same 13hp, 6600w-8000w (max) power, 30amp

mine is this one http://www.northerntool.com/downloads/manuals/165914.pdf



Posted by Vaughn Simon on July 4, 2008, 8:39 am
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> how does a honda GX390 differ from one label to another? they appear to all
> have the same 13hp, 6600w-8000w (max) power, 30amp

GX390 is the model number of the engine, not the entire generator. Sombody
(probably somebody in China) mated that Honda engine to a sombody's generator
and added the frame and other parts to make the entire package. You do not have
a Honda generator unit, you have an off-brand generator that happens to sport a
common Honda industrial engine.

That is not necessarily a bad thing, my pressure cleaner (bought at HD) is
the same deal and seems to be just fine.

Vaughn




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