did I damage AVR (honda generator) ?

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did I damage AVR (honda generator) ? Mark 07-03-2008
Posted by ransley on July 7, 2008, 9:40 am
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> Ulysses wrote:
> > Just so you realize that you have two seperate "legs" and each leg can
> > produce 3300 watts but neither can produce (much) more than that. =A0It=
is
> > better to balance the loads on both legs.
>
> so connect two separate items to two separate 20amp outlets and try runni=
ng 3000w on
> both?
>
> does the fact that I managed to run off one extension cord 2950w dispel m=
y concern
> that the voltage regulator may have damage or does it mean nothing since =
I produced it
> from just one outlet connection?
>
> the max output is rated at 8000w and running is rated at 6600w
>
> > Since you have a Kill A Watt I'd also check the output voltage and freq=
uency
> > under a moderate load. =A0I tend to adjust my 5000 watt generator to ab=
out 120
> > volts at about 1/2 load which gives me about 63 Hz. =A0I find many appl=
iances
>
> not sure how this is done, please do post some details, if possible speci=
fic to the
> honda gx390
>
> > going too far over. =A0If your voltage is a bit low your AC might not l=
ike it.
>
> if you read the original details, you will find the ac is an inverter sys=
tem,
> converting AC to DC to AC so it does not care what's being input as it co=
nditions the
> line internally to suit it's own needs - thus, it also has almost no jump=
in locked
> rotor amps but starts off with just 1.5amps and very slowly ramps it up f=
rom there
> over several minutes. it also uses max watts of about 700 but I have neve=
r seen it go
> above 350w

You now measure 120v that is no load? if so its at 3600 rpm. at the
3000w produced check voltage, even with avr its still likely 115v,
your AC may be fine at 115 but it does have an input range, I set my
unit above 120 to allow for load drawdown. How good yours controls
voltage only you cant test it from no load to full load. Whether 3000w
you use is off one leg or split from 220 call Northern. I would run it
and test it, having a low oil level sensor shut you down is common.

Posted by Tom on July 7, 2008, 12:03 pm
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ransley wrote:
> You now measure 120v that is no load?

mark did not write anything about 120v but it was in reply to something
ulysses "see the >>" wrote

the northstar (as sold by notherntool) pro series have no voltage regulator
and have no low oil shutdown.

the voltage and Hz is controlled by capacitors and engine speed. idle
voltage is around 125 and decreases at full load/full engine speed to just
about 108-112v





Posted by Ulysses on July 7, 2008, 12:40 pm
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> Ulysses wrote:
> > Just so you realize that you have two seperate "legs" and each leg can
> > produce 3300 watts but neither can produce (much) more than that. It is
> > better to balance the loads on both legs.
>
> so connect two separate items to two separate 20amp outlets and try
running 3000w on
> both?
>
> does the fact that I managed to run off one extension cord 2950w dispel my
concern
> that the voltage regulator may have damage or does it mean nothing since I
produced it
> from just one outlet connection?

Well, if you can get that much power from each leg individually then you are
probably in good shape.

>
> the max output is rated at 8000w and running is rated at 6600w
>
> > Since you have a Kill A Watt I'd also check the output voltage and
frequency
> > under a moderate load. I tend to adjust my 5000 watt generator to about
120
> > volts at about 1/2 load which gives me about 63 Hz. I find many
appliances
>
> not sure how this is done, please do post some details, if possible
specific to the
> honda gx390

I'm not sure how it's done either. Since you have some kind of electronic
voltage regulator it's different from having an alternator (generator head)
that is designed to run at 60 Hz at 3600 rpm and can output higher voltage
by increasing the engine speed. Increasing the engine speed also increases
the frequency. Perhaps yours cannot be adjusted. I am so used to using the
speed control type that I overlooked your voltage regulator. In any case
you can still check the output voltage and frequency and see if it looks OK.
Generally, from what I've read, most appliances will accept frequency
variations within about 2% so that would be about 58.8 Hz to 61.2 Hz.
However, I have found 63 Hz to be OK with most things. That is my personal
experience so your gadgets may differ. If you find that your voltage is
lower than, say, about 117 VAC and your frequency less than 58.8 Hz then I
would have the voltage regualtor checked.

>
> > going too far over. If your voltage is a bit low your AC might not like
it.
>
> if you read the original details, you will find the ac is an inverter
system,
> converting AC to DC to AC so it does not care what's being input as it
conditions the
> line internally to suit it's own needs - thus, it also has almost no jump
in locked
> rotor amps but starts off with just 1.5amps and very slowly ramps it up
from there
> over several minutes. it also uses max watts of about 700 but I have never
seen it go
> above 350w
>

Most likely the inverter will be either on or off. If the DC input is too
low it probably will not come on at all. But inverters can be tricky. I
have a Honda eu2000 inverter generator with a worn-out engine. It will
start up and come on and output AC but it does not have full power because
the engine cannot deliver the full power. If your output voltage from your
generator is low then the air conditioner's inverter might not be able to
draw enough power to run properly. This all seems very unlikely because of
the size of your generator if you are only running the Air Conditioner. If
you have all of your appliances running from one leg of your generator then
you could simply be overloading it. You seem to have determined that the
generator has adequate output. How is it wired to your house or whatever?
Do you have each seperate leg of the generator connected to a seperate leg
on the house wiring? Are you balancing your loads by having the
refrigerator on one leg and the air conditioner on another?



Posted by ransley on July 7, 2008, 3:40 pm
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>
>
> > Ulysses wrote:
> > > Just so you realize that you have two seperate "legs" and each leg ca=
n
> > > produce 3300 watts but neither can produce (much) more than that. =A0=
It is
> > > better to balance the loads on both legs.
>
> > so connect two separate items to two separate 20amp outlets and try
> running 3000w on
> > both?
>
> > does the fact that I managed to run off one extension cord 2950w dispel=
my
> concern
> > that the voltage regulator may have damage or does it mean nothing sinc=
e I
> produced it
> > from just one outlet connection?
>
> Well, if you can get that much power from each leg individually then you =
are
> probably in good shape.
>
>
>
>
>
> > the max output is rated at 8000w and running is rated at 6600w
>
> > > Since you have a Kill A Watt I'd also check the output voltage and
> frequency
> > > under a moderate load. =A0I tend to adjust my 5000 watt generator to =
about
> 120
> > > volts at about 1/2 load which gives me about 63 Hz. =A0I find many
> appliances
>
> > not sure how this is done, please do post some details, if possible
> specific to the
> > honda gx390
>
> I'm not sure how it's done either. =A0Since you have some kind of electro=
nic
> voltage regulator it's different from having an alternator (generator hea=
d)
> that is designed to run at 60 Hz at 3600 rpm and can output higher voltag=
e
> by increasing the engine speed. =A0Increasing the engine speed also incre=
ases
> the frequency. =A0Perhaps yours cannot be adjusted. =A0I am so used to us=
ing the
> speed control type that I overlooked your voltage regulator. =A0In any ca=
se
> you can still check the output voltage and frequency and see if it looks =
OK.
> Generally, from what I've read, most appliances will accept frequency
> variations within about 2% so that would be about 58.8 Hz to 61.2 Hz.
> However, I have found 63 Hz to be OK with most things. =A0That is my pers=
onal
> experience so your gadgets may differ. =A0If you find that your voltage i=
s
> lower than, say, about 117 VAC and your frequency less than 58.8 Hz then =
I
> would have the voltage regualtor checked.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > going too far over. =A0If your voltage is a bit low your AC might not=
like
> it.
>
> > if you read the original details, you will find the ac is an inverter
> system,
> > converting AC to DC to AC so it does not care what's being input as it
> conditions the
> > line internally to suit it's own needs - thus, it also has almost no ju=
mp
> in locked
> > rotor amps but starts off with just 1.5amps and very slowly ramps it up
> from there
> > over several minutes. it also uses max watts of about 700 but I have ne=
ver
> seen it go
> > above 350w
>
> Most likely the inverter will be either on or off. =A0If the DC input is =
too
> low it probably will not come on at all. =A0But inverters can be tricky. =
=A0I
> have a Honda eu2000 inverter generator with a worn-out engine. =A0It will
> start up and come on and output AC but it does not have full power becaus=
e
> the engine cannot deliver the full power. =A0If your output voltage from =
your
> generator is low then the air conditioner's inverter might not be able to
> draw enough power to run properly. =A0This all seems very unlikely becaus=
e of
> the size of your generator if you are only running the Air Conditioner. =
=A0If
> you have all of your appliances running from one leg of your generator th=
en
> you could simply be overloading it. =A0You seem to have determined that t=
he
> generator has adequate output. =A0How is it wired to your house or whatev=
er?
> Do you have each seperate leg of the generator connected to a seperate le=
g
> on the house wiring? =A0Are you balancing your loads by having the
> refrigerator on one leg and the air conditioner on another?- Hide quoted =
text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

At that price of his unit I dought his unit has anything special in
voltage regulation that will do any better than keeping it at less
than 5-6v swing, my 7500 Generac with avr is that way. He still needs
to manualy make a set point based on load used. 3600 rpm is still
60hz, and varies with rpm. Im sure an adjustment to rpm is easy to
do.

Posted by Mike Copeland on July 4, 2008, 6:38 am
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> is the AVR easy to diagnose and replace? how sensitive are the hondas or
> generators in having the proper ground post connection, if that was the
> cause of the shut down?

Most gensets have a low oil shutdown and is somewhat common to see this
activate several hours after initial startup.

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