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my letter to electric car companies misterfact@yahoo.com 07-01-2008
Posted by EXT on July 1, 2008, 6:03 pm
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> Have you got that straight EXT?

OK, end of lecture, I know batteries are made and recycled, I was involved
in recycling car batteries in the 1950s -- yes they have been doing it long
before I was born. However the original point I was making, is that both
manufacturing and recycling of batteries are very polluting. Now don't tell
me they aren't. For the OP to whine that the cars plug in and use what he
considers the polluting grid electricity, while he would like to use a solar
cell with more than one battery pack in rotation, is an oxymoron. A great
goal, but everything pollutes. Even breathing.

Did you know that the big thing in recycling is paper. When you recycle
paper, tons of pollutants are produced in cleaning and processing the used
paper to make nice clean new paper for everyone. Batteries contain much more
toxic materials than a sheet of paper, metals, acid, etc. These all produce
pollutants.


Posted by Bob F on July 2, 2008, 1:29 am
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>
>> Have you got that straight EXT?
>
> OK, end of lecture, I know batteries are made and recycled, I was involved in
> recycling car batteries in the 1950s -- yes they have been doing it long
> before I was born. However the original point I was making, is that both
> manufacturing and recycling of batteries are very polluting. Now don't tell me
> they aren't. For the OP to whine that the cars plug in and use what he
> considers the polluting grid electricity, while he would like to use a solar
> cell with more than one battery pack in rotation, is an oxymoron. A great
> goal, but everything pollutes. Even breathing.
>
> Did you know that the big thing in recycling is paper. When you recycle paper,
> tons of pollutants are produced in cleaning and processing the used paper to
> make nice clean new paper for everyone. Batteries contain much more toxic
> materials than a sheet of paper, metals, acid, etc. These all produce
> pollutants.

Fortunately, refining oil is completely pollution free.



Posted by on July 1, 2008, 5:24 pm
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On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 16:06:26 GMT, "Vaughn Simon"

>
>> You think that the mining of the needed minerals, smelting, transportation,
>> chemical production, manufacturing, then disposal of spent batteries is not
>> polluting?
>
> Every human activity results in some pollution, but you would have to look
>hard to find a category of products that was more reliably recycled than
>automotive batteries.
>
>Vaughn
>
And how about Lithium or NiMh? Lead acid batteries are the exception,
rather than the rule, in current EVs.
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Posted by Vaughn Simon on July 1, 2008, 6:29 pm
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<clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada> wrote in message
> On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 16:06:26 GMT, "Vaughn Simon"
> And how about Lithium or NiMh? Lead acid batteries are the exception,

I can't tell you about Lithium, but I have recycled thousands of NICAD and
NIMH batteries on my job. The recycling company now takes them for free and
pays all of the shipping expenses. Sooner or later, the materials will become
valuable enough that folks will knock on our door with offers to buy them.

Vaughn






Posted by on July 1, 2008, 5:22 pm
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wrote:

>You think that the mining of the needed minerals, smelting, transportation,
>chemical production, manufacturing, then disposal of spent batteries is not
>polluting? Having multiple battery packs would increase this pollution
>several fold. A car that plugs into the grid is still less polluting than
>gasoline, especially when you consider the pollution that oil causes during
>its life from well to gas tank and burnt at a low efficiency.
>
>

Not only that - the production of SOLAR CELLS. You think THAT is a
clean industry??????
It is very energy intensive too. Do they run ths plant to make the
silicon wafers on solar energy???
Or even CLEAN energy???

If I charge my electric car in Ontario, and buy from one of the GREEN
power companies, it can be charged with wind power. Otherwise, in my
area, there is a reasonable chance the power is produced by burning
Methane (landfill gas) - and a very high likelihood that the power is
produced by an atomic energy plant (Candu)
>> Hello;
>>
>> I thought you would like to know of my following activity recently:
>>
>> I saw a GEM EV on the street near my home.
>>
>> I asked the owner if he charges his car from the sun. He said, "no".
>> He said he charges it by plugging into his house current every night.
>>
>> I then made the following placard and stood by his car while it was
>> parked on the street. The placard read:
>>
>> "This electric car is one of the WORST polluting vehicles in the
>> world! The batteries in this car are NOT charged with CLEAN solar
>> energy. The batteries are charged with house current which is
>> generated by POLLUTING electric companies. Companies which continually
>> emit carbon dioxide and who knows what else!
>>
>> SAVE THE PLANET BY NOT BUYING ONE OF THESE CARS !
>> (that is- unless they come with solar panels) "
>>
>> Just about every person who read my sign- agreed with my statement.
>> When the owner returned, he was somewhat distressed. (which was not my
>> intent-hopefully, he will go out and buy some solar panels)
>>
>> I just want you to know that I plan to show my (above) sign next to
>> YOUR EV if I ever see it on a street.
>>
>> I will do this UNLESS:
>>
>> 1. Your company gets rid of the 110v ac plug on your car.
>>
>> 2. Your company provides the car with a REMOVABLE battery pack.
>>
>> 3. Your company sells an extra battery pack or more with the car.
>>
>> 4. Your company sells an array of solar panels (with a decent
>> warranty)which is enough to charge the extra battery pack in 8 hours
>> of sunlight! (while the driver is out driving his car)
>>
>> In other words; there is enough sunlight in just about every place
>> on earth to charge an extra battery pack in 1 to 4 days. The packs can
>> be made to be quickly and easily exchanged from panel to car, and vise
>> versa by the owner. (by hand or with a wheeled dolly) There is no
>> reason to plug your car into the grid!
>>
>> I am declaring WAR on plug-in vehicles!
>>
>> I hope I've made my position clear on this.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely, Michael Korman
>>
>>

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