My solar panels are expected to survive for 25 years. I hardly think that
the manufacturing process for these panels produced anywhere near the
pollution I would be responsible for during that time frame if I were using
grid power.

Posted by Ken Maltby on July 1, 2008, 1:07 pm

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> Hello;

> I thought you would like to know of my following activity recently:

> I saw a GEM EV on the street near my home.

> I asked the owner if he charges his car from the sun. He said, "no".

> He said he charges it by plugging into his house current every night.

> I then made the following placard and stood by his car while it was

> parked on the street. The placard read:

> "This electric car is one of the WORST polluting vehicles in the

> world! The batteries in this car are NOT charged with CLEAN solar

> energy. The batteries are charged with house current which is

> generated by POLLUTING electric companies. Companies which continually

> emit carbon dioxide and who knows what else!

> SAVE THE PLANET BY NOT BUYING ONE OF THESE CARS !

> (that is- unless they come with solar panels) "

> Just about every person who read my sign- agreed with my statement.

> When the owner returned, he was somewhat distressed. (which was not my

> intent-hopefully, he will go out and buy some solar panels)

> I just want you to know that I plan to show my (above) sign next to

> YOUR EV if I ever see it on a street.

> I will do this UNLESS:

> 1. Your company gets rid of the 110v ac plug on your car.

> 2. Your company provides the car with a REMOVABLE battery pack.

> 3. Your company sells an extra battery pack or more with the car.

> 4. Your company sells an array of solar panels (with a decent

> warranty)which is enough to charge the extra battery pack in 8 hours

> of sunlight! (while the driver is out driving his car)

> In other words; there is enough sunlight in just about every place

> on earth to charge an extra battery pack in 1 to 4 days. The packs can

> be made to be quickly and easily exchanged from panel to car, and vise

> versa by the owner. (by hand or with a wheeled dolly) There is no

> reason to plug your car into the grid!

> I am declaring WAR on plug-in vehicles!

> I hope I've made my position clear on this.

> Sincerely, Michael Korman

I really doubt that you did anything like what you described, there
is a long history of fabrication on the part of such as you. The truth
is no more relevant to you than the facts or the actual science. You
believe in a "greater good" of your cause, that justifies any deceit or
made up story your imagination can provide to further "the cause".

As to "Plug-in Electrics", any widespread adoption of such tech.
will require a great expansion of our electric generation and
distribution infrastructure. Given current or foreseeable conditions,
that will mean adding whatever non-"polluting" generation capacity
can be brought on line. Certainly Nuclear has the best potential to
meet our future requirements (and will be the most likely solution in
the end), but Wind and Solar can be brought on line faster, so plenty
of that will be added.

In fact the introduction of the "Plug-in Electrics" could be a major
spur to those DIY types (such as those who read this NG) to make
the plunge into generating their own electric power, rather than paying
and depending on the utility. So, while your make believe electric car
owner may have lived in a third floor apartment of an eight story
building and not be able to use those solar panels you want to mandate;
there would be plenty who will find some way (but possibly not a way
you would impose on the car makers) to charge up their cars, on their
own.

You and your buddies are more interested in gaining the ability to
control and dictate conditions, than any real practical effects, or the
stated goals of your "movement" to improve the environment or save
the earth.

There are always casualties in WAR, since this may involve a few
battle of wits, and you appear to be ill prepared, I wouldn't give much
for your chances.

Luck;
Ken

Posted by amdx on July 1, 2008, 10:16 pm

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>> Hello;

>> I thought you would like to know of my following activity recently:

>> I saw a GEM EV on the street near my home.

>> I asked the owner if he charges his car from the sun. He said, "no".

>> He said he charges it by plugging into his house current every night.

>> I then made the following placard and stood by his car while it was

>> parked on the street. The placard read:

>> "This electric car is one of the WORST polluting vehicles in the

>> world! The batteries in this car are NOT charged with CLEAN solar

>> energy. The batteries are charged with house current which is

>> generated by POLLUTING electric companies. Companies which continually

>> emit carbon dioxide and who knows what else!

>> SAVE THE PLANET BY NOT BUYING ONE OF THESE CARS !

>> (that is- unless they come with solar panels) "

>> Just about every person who read my sign- agreed with my statement.

>> When the owner returned, he was somewhat distressed. (which was not my

>> intent-hopefully, he will go out and buy some solar panels)

>> I just want you to know that I plan to show my (above) sign next to

>> YOUR EV if I ever see it on a street.

>> I will do this UNLESS:

>> 1. Your company gets rid of the 110v ac plug on your car.

>> 2. Your company provides the car with a REMOVABLE battery pack.

>> 3. Your company sells an extra battery pack or more with the car.

>> 4. Your company sells an array of solar panels (with a decent

>> warranty)which is enough to charge the extra battery pack in 8 hours

>> of sunlight! (while the driver is out driving his car)

>> In other words; there is enough sunlight in just about every place

>> on earth to charge an extra battery pack in 1 to 4 days. The packs can

>> be made to be quickly and easily exchanged from panel to car, and vise

>> versa by the owner. (by hand or with a wheeled dolly) There is no

>> reason to plug your car into the grid!

>> I am declaring WAR on plug-in vehicles!

>> I hope I've made my position clear on this.

>> Sincerely, Michael Korman

> I really doubt that you did anything like what you described, there

> is a long history of fabrication on the part of such as you. The truth

> is no more relevant to you than the facts or the actual science. You

> believe in a "greater good" of your cause, that justifies any deceit or

> made up story your imagination can provide to further "the cause".

> As to "Plug-in Electrics", any widespread adoption of such tech.

> will require a great expansion of our electric generation and

> distribution infrastructure. Given current or foreseeable conditions,

> that will mean adding whatever non-"polluting" generation capacity

> can be brought on line. Certainly Nuclear has the best potential to

> meet our future requirements (and will be the most likely solution in

> the end), but Wind and Solar can be brought on line faster, so plenty

> of that will be added.

> In fact the introduction of the "Plug-in Electrics" could be a major

> spur to those DIY types (such as those who read this NG) to make

> the plunge into generating their own electric power, rather than paying

> and depending on the utility. So, while your make believe electric car

> owner may have lived in a third floor apartment of an eight story

> building and not be able to use those solar panels you want to mandate;

> there would be plenty who will find some way (but possibly not a way

> you would impose on the car makers) to charge up their cars, on their

> own.

> You and your buddies are more interested in gaining the ability to

> control and dictate conditions, than any real practical effects, or the

> stated goals of your "movement" to improve the environment or save

> the earth.

> There are always casualties in WAR, since this may involve a few

> battle of wits, and you appear to be ill prepared, I wouldn't give much

> for your chances.

> Luck;

> Ken

Ken, that was very diplomatic, my response is, Michael's an idiot!
Mike
We need Nuclear power.

Posted by Ulysses on July 1, 2008, 1:22 pm

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> Hello;

> I thought you would like to know of my following activity recently:

> I saw a GEM EV on the street near my home.

> I asked the owner if he charges his car from the sun. He said, "no".

> He said he charges it by plugging into his house current every night.

> I then made the following placard and stood by his car while it was

> parked on the street. The placard read:

> "This electric car is one of the WORST polluting vehicles in the

> world! The batteries in this car are NOT charged with CLEAN solar

> energy. The batteries are charged with house current which is

> generated by POLLUTING electric companies. Companies which continually

> emit carbon dioxide and who knows what else!

*Somebody* knows what else. Not all electricity on the grid is caused by
generators that pollute directly. Some is produced by hydro or generators
run on Natural Gas which at least pollutes less than many other fuels.

> SAVE THE PLANET BY NOT BUYING ONE OF THESE CARS !

> (that is- unless they come with solar panels) "

Save the planet by not buying anything that is manufactured.

> Just about every person who read my sign- agreed with my statement.

> When the owner returned, he was somewhat distressed. (which was not my

> intent-hopefully, he will go out and buy some solar panels)

> I just want you to know that I plan to show my (above) sign next to

> YOUR EV if I ever see it on a street.

> I will do this UNLESS:

> 1. Your company gets rid of the 110v ac plug on your car.

Just because it has a standard plug does not mean it is using electricity
that is polluting the environment when it is generated. Probably just about
everyone who has solar panels has standard outlets.

> 2. Your company provides the car with a REMOVABLE battery pack.

My idea is that instead of owning your battery pack you would just pull into
a "Juice" station and they would switch your battery with a fully charged
one.

> 3. Your company sells an extra battery pack or more with the car.

> 4. Your company sells an array of solar panels (with a decent

> warranty)which is enough to charge the extra battery pack in 8 hours

> of sunlight! (while the driver is out driving his car)

> In other words; there is enough sunlight in just about every place

> on earth to charge an extra battery pack in 1 to 4 days. The packs can

> be made to be quickly and easily exchanged from panel to car, and vise

> versa by the owner. (by hand or with a wheeled dolly) There is no

> reason to plug your car into the grid!

> I am declaring WAR on plug-in vehicles!

> I hope I've made my position clear on this.

> Sincerely, Michael Korman

I think electric cars *could* be part of a possible solution but they would
have to be charged with a clean energy source. I have no idea where all the
copper comes from that is used in electric car motors and wind generators
but hopefully most of it is from recycled copper.

Currently there is an environmental impact study underway (or about to be)
to determine how much pollution is being generated during the manufacturing
of solar-voltaic panels (plus the effects of covering large areas of land
with panels or collectors etc) so it seems that solar panels are not
completely innocent either.

Posted by EXT on July 1, 2008, 6:08 pm

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> Currently there is an environmental impact study underway (or about to be)

> to determine how much pollution is being generated during the

> manufacturing

> of solar-voltaic panels (plus the effects of covering large areas of land

> with panels or collectors etc) so it seems that solar panels are not

> completely innocent either.

Now there is a pollutant. Why, oh why, would anyone consider covering acres
of land with solar cells. Land should be used to grow things, even if it is
a tree. Granted there are some useless lands that won't hurt to be covered,
but most is useable for something that lives. Don't cover fields with solar
cells when we have whole square miles of pavement and buildings that could
use an extra roof made of solar cells, they would shade the buildings while
making electricity.

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