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new (to me) inverter score z 05-13-2008
Posted by z on May 13, 2008, 8:47 pm
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My brother scored a used xantrex prosine 1000 and I just plumbed it into
the hydro system.. man its nice. Clean pure sine waves and its (so far)
waaay more efficient than the last crapola inverter I had.

Now i'm looking for a remote panel so I can watch it from in the house --
the remote panels seem to only have a 25 foot cable.. anyone had success
making a longer cable? Like 100 feet? I'd guess its some kind of simple
cross over but guessing isn't the same as knowing har har har

-z

Posted by Ulysses on May 14, 2008, 11:30 am
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> My brother scored a used xantrex prosine 1000 and I just plumbed it into
> the hydro system.. man its nice. Clean pure sine waves and its (so far)
> waaay more efficient than the last crapola inverter I had.
>
> Now i'm looking for a remote panel so I can watch it from in the house --
> the remote panels seem to only have a 25 foot cable.. anyone had success
> making a longer cable? Like 100 feet? I'd guess its some kind of simple
> cross over but guessing isn't the same as knowing har har har
>
> -z

My TriMetric instructions say "the meter may be located hundreds of feet
away...". It also says you need four wires and "it would be advisable to
use twisted pairs if any other power wires are being run near asd parallel
with these, however it should not be necessary otherwise." I'm just using
about three feet of phone wire and it works fine.

The wire that measures the current needs to be connected to a shunt. Do you
have one? That would be in the DC distribution/breaker panel. Do you have
one of those? Mine says to use either a 50mv/500 amp shunt or 100mv/100 amp
shunt connected to the negative side of the battery. With the TriMetric you
have to tell it which shunt you have.

I have not used any other battery monitors but I've read that some others
out there have a lot more features. Mine does what I want and seems to work
just fine except it reads a little low on the voltage display on a 48 volt
system.



Posted by z on May 14, 2008, 7:22 pm
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>
>> My brother scored a used xantrex prosine 1000 and I just plumbed it
>> into the hydro system.. man its nice. Clean pure sine waves and its
>> (so far) waaay more efficient than the last crapola inverter I had.
>>
>> Now i'm looking for a remote panel so I can watch it from in the
>> house -- the remote panels seem to only have a 25 foot cable.. anyone
>> had success making a longer cable? Like 100 feet? I'd guess its
>> some kind of simple cross over but guessing isn't the same as knowing
>> har har har
>>
>> -z
>
> My TriMetric instructions say "the meter may be located hundreds of
> feet away...". It also says you need four wires and "it would be
> advisable to use twisted pairs if any other power wires are being run
> near asd parallel with these, however it should not be necessary
> otherwise." I'm just using about three feet of phone wire and it
> works fine.
>
> The wire that measures the current needs to be connected to a shunt.
> Do you have one? That would be in the DC distribution/breaker panel.
> Do you have one of those? Mine says to use either a 50mv/500 amp
> shunt or 100mv/100 amp shunt connected to the negative side of the
> battery. With the TriMetric you have to tell it which shunt you have.

Hmm. I don't think it needs a shunt, or maybe it has one. It comes as a
'remote panel kit' that fits the inverter model I have -- you just remove
the face plate and plug it in as far as I can tell.

Just wondered if any of you had used one of those kits and managed to
extend the wire. It really does me no good only 25 feet. Guess I'll
give xantrex a call

>
> I have not used any other battery monitors but I've read that some
> others out there have a lot more features. Mine does what I want and
> seems to work just fine except it reads a little low on the voltage
> display on a 48 volt system.

Yeah this is the inverter itself, not a battery monitor. With the remote
display it should show the watts you are using and other useful
information -- low voltage warning etc. You can turn it off from in the
house or put it in sleep mode or whatnot. Just trying to avoid having to
put in my rubber boots at night to turn off my system .. or go out there
and see whats going on.

Right now it just shows a watts bar which isn't very easy to read.


Posted by z on May 14, 2008, 7:25 pm
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>
>> My brother scored a used xantrex prosine 1000 and I just plumbed it
>> into the hydro system.. man its nice. Clean pure sine waves and its
>> (so far) waaay more efficient than the last crapola inverter I had.
>>
>> Now i'm looking for a remote panel so I can watch it from in the
>> house -- the remote panels seem to only have a 25 foot cable.. anyone
>> had success making a longer cable? Like 100 feet? I'd guess its
>> some kind of simple cross over but guessing isn't the same as knowing
>> har har har
>>
>> -z
>
> My TriMetric instructions say "the meter may be located hundreds of
> feet away...". It also says you need four wires and "it would be
> advisable to use twisted pairs if any other power wires are being run
> near asd parallel with these, however it should not be necessary
> otherwise." I'm just using about three feet of phone wire and it
> works fine.
>
> The wire that measures the current needs to be connected to a shunt.
> Do you have one? That would be in the DC distribution/breaker panel.
> Do you have one of those? Mine says to use either a 50mv/500 amp
> shunt or 100mv/100 amp shunt connected to the negative side of the
> battery. With the TriMetric you have to tell it which shunt you have.
>
> I have not used any other battery monitors but I've read that some
> others out there have a lot more features. Mine does what I want and
> seems to work just fine except it reads a little low on the voltage
> display on a 48 volt system.
>
>
>

aha!

finally dug out this titbit from within the xantrex site (I swear I
looked for this earlier)

Can I extend the remote panel cord?

The total length of the cord can be 100 ft (30 m) to the Standard Control
Panel, or 50 ft (15 m) to the ACS (Advanced Control Panel). The cord can
be replaced with a longer cable available from Xantrex. A standard, good
quality telephone extension cord (#26AWG wire size or bigger) can also be
used. If your original cable has an EMI shield (a 1 inch bulge about 5
inches from the end of the cable), keep the EMI shielded end plugged into
Prosine and use the extension cord on the panel side. For optimum
performance, always use the original cable.


So we're good!

-z

Posted by Ulysses on May 15, 2008, 11:34 am
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>
> >
> >> My brother scored a used xantrex prosine 1000 and I just plumbed it
> >> into the hydro system.. man its nice. Clean pure sine waves and its
> >> (so far) waaay more efficient than the last crapola inverter I had.
> >>
> >> Now i'm looking for a remote panel so I can watch it from in the
> >> house -- the remote panels seem to only have a 25 foot cable.. anyone
> >> had success making a longer cable? Like 100 feet? I'd guess its
> >> some kind of simple cross over but guessing isn't the same as knowing
> >> har har har
> >>
> >> -z
> >
> > My TriMetric instructions say "the meter may be located hundreds of
> > feet away...". It also says you need four wires and "it would be
> > advisable to use twisted pairs if any other power wires are being run
> > near asd parallel with these, however it should not be necessary
> > otherwise." I'm just using about three feet of phone wire and it
> > works fine.
> >
> > The wire that measures the current needs to be connected to a shunt.
> > Do you have one? That would be in the DC distribution/breaker panel.
> > Do you have one of those? Mine says to use either a 50mv/500 amp
> > shunt or 100mv/100 amp shunt connected to the negative side of the
> > battery. With the TriMetric you have to tell it which shunt you have.
> >
> > I have not used any other battery monitors but I've read that some
> > others out there have a lot more features. Mine does what I want and
> > seems to work just fine except it reads a little low on the voltage
> > display on a 48 volt system.
> >
> >
> >
>
> aha!
>
> finally dug out this titbit from within the xantrex site (I swear I
> looked for this earlier)
>
> Can I extend the remote panel cord?
>
> The total length of the cord can be 100 ft (30 m) to the Standard Control
> Panel, or 50 ft (15 m) to the ACS (Advanced Control Panel). The cord can
> be replaced with a longer cable available from Xantrex. A standard, good
> quality telephone extension cord (#26AWG wire size or bigger) can also be
> used. If your original cable has an EMI shield (a 1 inch bulge about 5
> inches from the end of the cable), keep the EMI shielded end plugged into
> Prosine and use the extension cord on the panel side. For optimum
> performance, always use the original cable.
>
>
> So we're good!
>
> -z

It looks like I completely misunderstood what you were asking! I had a
crappy/cheapo inverter that had a remote panel option but I forgot all about
it (one of those items you want to put out of your mind ;-) )

How's the hydro doing? I think the last thing I read was you were getting 4
amps. I finally broke the 50 watt barrier with my eu2000 wind generator--it
momentarily read 4 amps at about 12.6 volts with some new blades I made from
PVC sewer pipe. And that was in a very bad location on a 4' post with a 50
foot extension cord going to the rectifiers. For some strange reason I'm
getting better results with shorted blades and a smaller sweep area. This
goes against everything I've read.



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