ECU Flash affects MPG?

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ECU Flash affects MPG? NeoPhyte_Rep 08-23-2006
Posted by NeoPhyte_Rep on August 26, 2006, 10:24 am
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mrv@kluge.net wrote:
> NeoPhyte_Rep wrote:
>
>> Please expand the acronym ISC.
>
> good question. For some reason, I had ISC stuck in my head.
> Basically, I meant that the ECU does store information about your
> driving and external parameters and adjusts accordingly.
>
>> Are you saying the Prius' ECU uses more than atmospheric conditions,
>> accelerator pedal position, and the state of charge of the traction
>> battery to determine how to control the engine? Do you have a Toyota
>> document that explains this?
>
> Hm, buried in ome of these technical threads is the answer...
> http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Prius_Technical_Stuff/message/17408
> http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Prius_Technical_Stuff/message/17164
> http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Prius_Technical_Stuff/message/17454
> but unfortunately, I'm having trouble searching back in my archives far
> enough for when the ECU upgrade was released, or when the Classics had
> the battery resealing done (where many more people
> noticed/complained)...
>
>> This is not in regards to any governmental fuel rating. This is in
>
> Just a reminder about the governmental ratings - they don't take into
> account heater or AC use, which both will lower fuel efficiency.
>
>> relation to my personal recorded tank fillings and computer readouts. I
>> record both and both are down about 5 mpg. I consider that
>> statistically significant.
>
> other thoughts:
> 1. It's summer in the northern hemisphere, and winter in the southern
> hemisphere. Temperatures are more extreme than a few months ago, which
> means that the gasoline engine will be running more to provide for the
> added climate control for these extremes.
> 2. did any change in fuel occur since your upgrade? summer/winter
> blend? addition of ethanol?
> 3. did you have anything else done at the same time as the upgrade?
> dealers are notorius for using the wrong grade of oil, oil overfill,
> and not setting tire pressures correctly.
> 4. have you checked your parking/emergency brake? sometimes they do
> get a little sticky.
> 5. have you hit a pothole or curb, that may have knocked your alignment
> out?
>
1. As I said I first suspected more use of the air conditioning, but
that is back to normal and the mileage isn't.
2. I don't remember if the service occurred at the same time as the
seasonal mixture change, but that would affect more than my Prius, which
is why I came here for the experience of others.
3. I think I'm going to research these possibilities deeper. I haven't
been in the habit of checking the dealer's employee's work, but maybe I
should be more careful.
4. I'll dig into this one, too.
5. No potholes of significance. Lot's of small bumps since there's a
growing lack of road maintenance to save budget.

Thanks for your suggestions.

Posted by mrv@kluge.net on August 29, 2006, 7:05 pm
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NeoPhyte_Rep wrote:
> mrv@kluge.net wrote:
> > NeoPhyte_Rep wrote:
> > It's a learned ISC.
>
> Please expand the acronym ISC.

Found it. ISC = idle speed control.

It was stuck in my head from reading the TSBs for the Highlander
Hybrid:
http://www.alldata.com/tsb/Toyota/1141027200000_1141718400000_EG026R-05/index.html
http://www.alldata.com/tsb/Toyota/1155711600000_1156489200000_EG050-06/index.html
where if the 12v battery is disconnected or drops below 7 volts, there
is a procedure to reinitialize the idle speed control.

to quote those TSBs:
"If this procedure is NOT performed, the following customer complaints
may occur:
Engine runs too long or more frequently than normal
Reduced fuel economy
Transmission gear "clatter" noise at idle is more pronounced"


Posted by NeoPhyte_Rep on August 30, 2006, 1:46 pm
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mrv@kluge.net wrote:
> NeoPhyte_Rep wrote:
>> mrv@kluge.net wrote:
>>> NeoPhyte_Rep wrote:
>>> It's a learned ISC.
>> Please expand the acronym ISC.
>
> Found it. ISC = idle speed control.
>
> It was stuck in my head from reading the TSBs for the Highlander
> Hybrid:
>
http://www.alldata.com/tsb/Toyota/1141027200000_1141718400000_EG026R-05/index.html
>
http://www.alldata.com/tsb/Toyota/1155711600000_1156489200000_EG050-06/index.html
> where if the 12v battery is disconnected or drops below 7 volts, there
> is a procedure to reinitialize the idle speed control.
>
> to quote those TSBs:
> "If this procedure is NOT performed, the following customer complaints
> may occur:
> Engine runs too long or more frequently than normal
> Reduced fuel economy
> Transmission gear "clatter" noise at idle is more pronounced"
>
Thanks.

I'll see what the service manager has to say about this information. I
saw no indication that the battery had been disconnected, but you never
know.


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