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Plug-In Prius by 2010 Doug 06-12-2008
Posted by Michelle Steiner on June 12, 2008, 2:01 pm
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> I provided information that addressed the question and did so in
> context. I doubt you can find anything confrontational in that.

No, but I can find it in "Is there anything you won't argue about?"

> The context was "Plug-in Prius by 2010"

That's the subject of the original message; the context had expanded
beyond that before I joined the conversation. In specific, I was
responding to this:

> The maximum all-electric range at the time I looked into this was 40
> miles but I'd guess a practical range would be closer to 30 miles.
> There wouldn't be a big advantage to a traveling salesperson who
> drives 200 miles a day since there wouldn't be an opportunity to
> recharge.

Please tell me how my reply was out of context or argumentative.

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Posted by Was Istloben on June 12, 2008, 2:32 pm
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>
>> I provided information that addressed the question and did so in
>> context. I doubt you can find anything confrontational in that.
>
> No, but I can find it in "Is there anything you won't argue about?"
>
>> The context was "Plug-in Prius by 2010"
>
> That's the subject of the original message; the context had expanded
> beyond that before I joined the conversation. In specific, I was
> responding to this:
>
>> The maximum all-electric range at the time I looked into this was 40
>> miles but I'd guess a practical range would be closer to 30 miles.
>> There wouldn't be a big advantage to a traveling salesperson who
>> drives 200 miles a day since there wouldn't be an opportunity to
>> recharge.
>
> Please tell me how my reply was out of context or argumentative.
>
Michelle, for all practical purposes a PHEV reverts to a HEV once the charge
acquired by plugging it in is spent. I believe News wanted to know how the
cost of electricity compared to the cost of gasoline. After all, this would
be a very important consideration when contemplating the extra cost of a
PHEV.

To make a value judgment one must consider their personal situation. In
this discussion we now see a range of gasoline equivalencies from .70/gallon
to 3.40/gallon depending on what one pays per kwh. It is also important to
consider one's commute, if any, because like I said, the PHEV reverts to a
HEV once the plug-in charge is spent. The nature of one's commute would be
a very significant factor for someone who can do most of it at .70/gallon,
less for one who can do half of it at .70/gallon and far less for one who
can do 25% of it at 3.40/gallon.

There is no one-fits-all answer to the question, obviously, but I hoped to
give News some useful information to work into his own situation.

Certainly a smart person like you, someone who hangs around Prius groups,
could get the drift of my remark. Given the subject, question and the
spirit of my reply your challenge was unnecessary, inappropriate, out of
context and off topic. Otherwise, however, it was just hunky dory.


Posted by Michelle Steiner on June 12, 2008, 3:59 pm
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> Certainly a smart person like you, someone who hangs around Prius
> groups, could get the drift of my remark. Given the subject,
> question and the spirit of my reply your challenge was unnecessary,
> inappropriate, out of context and off topic. Otherwise, however, it
> was just hunky dory.

If you had not written "since there wouldn't be an opportunity to
recharge," I would not have responded to that message. But by writing
that, you gave the impression (inadvertently, I'm sure) that that was
the range of the vehicle. I was merely trying to clear that up.

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Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on June 12, 2008, 2:33 pm
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>
> > >> > A plug-in hybrid will still recharge from the ICE, just as the
> > >> > current Prius does. That 200-mile-a-day driver will still
> > >> > benefit from the hybrid technology.
> > >> >
> > >> It requires $4.00 gasoline to recharge from the ICE, $.70 gasoline
> > >> equivalency to recharge from off-peak at my rate.
> > >>
> > >> Of course the driver will still benefit from hybrid technology,
> > >> but the question relates to the gas/electric cost equivalency, not
> > >> the benefit of driving a hybrid vehicle.
> > >
> > > But if you exceed the distance available from pure EV, you can't
> > > ignore the ICE.
> > >
> > Is there anything you won't argue about?
>
> I'm not arguing; I'm discussing. Why don't you give it a try instead of
> being in-your-face confrontational?

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