Posted by wmbjkREMOVE on January 16, 2010, 2:44 pm
wrote:
>It would be soooo easy to say that I don't understand yanks problems
>with LED lights.
Bingo.
> But that would be untrue.
Oops, spoke too soon.
>The biggest single problem is you lot refuse to let go of outdated
>practices. You want to replace one 60 - 100W light globe in the middle
>of the room with one LED lamp and expect it to do the same job.
Let's see some quotes for that assumption. You won't even try, because
as usual it's just another silly ghioism made up without any basis in
fact.
>Ain't gonna happen. Firstly, most LED lamps on the market are aimed at
>the sucker trade. They are bought by an importer for $ to $ dollars
>each and than sold for $0 and up. Purely sucker bait.
I priced some LEDs yesterday for a project - $ delivered for a
hundred. Oh wait, you meant ready-made.
http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?LH_BIN=1&LH_IncludeSIF=1&_nkw=led%20lamp&_fln=1&_ipg=&_trksid=p3286.c0.m283
Gosh, only 25,000 different items under $0.
>I have around 100 LED lamps in and outside my house. They range form
>MR16 packages with 48 LEDs(warm white), to stripe lights with 30 LEDs
>to modules with 4 luxons each.
You should take that concept to its logical conclusion and just wear a
miner's helmet.
Why is it that when people talk about choosing small-module PV, you're
against a little extra wiring, but when it comes to lights, suddenly
lots of extra wiring isn't an issue?
>Forget the past and embrace the future. Placement is everything. The
>right lamp in the right place and LED lamps become so efficient that
>you wonder why you didn't see the solution before.
That's the same thing you used to say *before* you admitted to
changing everything out in favor of newer stuff, which as it turned
out still wasn't as efficient as what many of us had been using the
entire time. In my case that's a couple dozen 12W CFs spread out
effectively, mounted in cheap and readily available pot fixtures and
wired conventionally. Fact 1. It's still the most cost-effective
approach per lumen. Fact 2. You won't produce any credible evidence to
the contrary.
>Yes. I do still have a lamp in the middle of some rooms. One is in the
>kitchen. It is only there for general lighting and it is LED. The
>secret of its operation is that it consists of 6 of the four luxon
>modules mounted on a flat base with a domed, frosted glass shade often
>referred to as an oyster lamp. Frosted glass. You can't imagine what a
>difference frosted glass makes. It has to be glass, plastic does not
>work at all as well. Cost; $2.50 each for the modules and $0 for the
>lamp fixture - Total cost $5. Total current draw .72A.
What a shock, no lumen rating. Fact 3. Your approach is more
expensive, more complicated, and less efficient than using CFLs.
http://www.mge.com/home/appliances/lighting/comparison.htm
http://www.eternaleds.com/Are_LED_Bulbs_Brighter_Than_CFL_Bulbs_a/222.htm
Fact 4. You will argue against the facts by posting ever-more retarded
accusations.
Wayne
http://www.citlink.net/~wmbjk/tbfduwisdumb.htm
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Posted by Josepi on January 16, 2010, 5:09 pm
See George! Here is a typical moronic post from this POS. When you clink on
his supplied link, once again it becomes obvious this git has no idea what
he posted but still uses it for an argument defence, he wasn't even involved
in....duh!
So, Wayne, the pain, show us all the LED bulbs over 500 lumens, not your
toys, that people can actually see things and work by. Show us the LED lamps
that actually can function as household lighting (like we were discussing).
I trust you can actually read, all by yourself, huh?
Things were a lot more pleasant and real on Usenet before clearing my
bozobin filters. Same old bullshit from one year to the next.
I priced some LEDs yesterday for a project - $ delivered for a
hundred. Oh wait, you meant ready-made.
http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?LH_BIN=1&LH_IncludeSIF=1&_nkw=led%20lamp&_fln=1&_ipg=&_trksid=p3286.c0.m283
Gosh, only 25,000 different items under $0.
Wayne
http://www.citlink.net/~wmbjk/tbfduwisdumb.htm
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Posted by nospam on January 16, 2010, 6:40 pm
Josepi wrote:
> See George! Here is a typical moronic post from this POS. When you clink on
> his supplied link, once again it becomes obvious this git has no idea what
> he posted but still uses it for an argument defence, he wasn't even involved
> in....duh!
>
>
> So, Wayne, the pain, show us all the LED bulbs over 500 lumens, not your
> toys, that people can actually see things and work by. Show us the LED lamps
> that actually can function as household lighting (like we were discussing).
> I trust you can actually read, all by yourself, huh?
>
>
http://tinyurl.com/y8ndjmo
http://www.earthled.com/evolux-led-light-bulb.html
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.27583
http://www.haloltg.com/
Posted by wmbjkREMOVE on January 16, 2010, 8:55 pm
On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 13:40:27 -0500, nospam@nevis.com wrote:
>> show us all the LED bulbs over 500 lumens, not your
>> toys, that people can actually see things and work by. Show us the LED lamps
>> that actually can function as household lighting (like we were discussing).
>> I trust you can actually read, all by yourself, huh?
>http://tinyurl.com/y8ndjmo
That one's probably about half as bright as the seller claims.
>http://www.earthled.com/evolux-led-light-bulb.html
More than 10X the cost of a comparable CFL
>http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.27583
4X the cost.
>http://www.haloltg.com/
More of the same. LEDs for home lighting have become the new hydrogen.
Wayne
Posted by Josepi on January 16, 2010, 9:10 pm
At least the one video "EcoGeeks" admits they are not useful in most places,
yet at 60 lumens emitted for their comparison test, against a 100W
incandescent.....duh!
Some other points.
1) are you another Wayne, the pain sockpuppet?
2) these links are not the one in question.
3) none of these are under $0 and over 500 lumens and actually useful in
most places as lighting
4) Thanx for the links. Something to watch when LEDs become more economical
as replacements.
http://tinyurl.com/y8ndjmo
http://www.earthled.com/evolux-led-light-bulb.html
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.27583
http://www.haloltg.com/
Josepi wrote:
> See George! Here is a typical moronic post from this POS. When you clink
> on
> his supplied link, once again it becomes obvious this git has no idea what
> he posted but still uses it for an argument defence, he wasn't even
> involved
> in....duh!
> So, Wayne, the pain, show us all the LED bulbs over 500 lumens, not your
> toys, that people can actually see things and work by. Show us the LED
> lamps
> that actually can function as household lighting (like we were
> discussing).
> I trust you can actually read, all by yourself, huh?
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>with LED lights.
Bingo.
> But that would be untrue.