Posted by harry on January 12, 2010, 5:55 pm
> I picked up a 115 vac grain mill via internet, and had intended to run
> it on
> our el-cheapo 500 watt inverter from Sam's. Well, when mill arrived
> and I tried it in regular electric outlet, the darn thing sounded like
> a 747 jet engine taking off. Much to my surpise (I should have
> checked before buying the darn thing) the motor is rated at 1000
> watts. It's a Blendtech Kitchen Mill.
> Question: Will most small kitchen appliances like mixers and
> such work on a modified sine wave inverter? For the above grain mill,
> what size inverter would you recommend. Any brand names you care to
> suggest?
> What other kinds of household appliances can you run with the modified
> sine wave inverter? I'm thinking of maybe buying a 1500 watt, or
> would you go larger?
> Later, when finances permit, we plan to purchase a pure sine wave
> inverter.
All rotating electric motors like a pure sine wave. This is very
difficult to achieve with electronic devices. (But square waves are
easy). Hence cheap inverters tend to square or squarish wave forms.
The further one departs from the sine wave the more the motor has to
be derated, the worst case being a square wave. Without knowing the
precise wave form it's hard to be specific. However, if there's lots
of sparking at the brushes (I assume it's a "universal motor", ie with
commutator & brushes), desist, you will f**k it up in a very short
time.
Not only will the brushes/commutator burn out, the motor will
overheat, especially if run at full load.
It's possible to modify a square wave to more like a sine wave with a
"pi" network of capacitors and inductors but hardly economic unless
you get them for free.
Posted by Jim on January 13, 2010, 7:40 am
Would that be a "low pass filter"? If so, what cutoff frequency
should you
design it for?
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:55:58 -0800 (PST), harry
>> I picked up a 115 vac grain mill via internet, and had intended to run
>> it on
>> our el-cheapo 500 watt inverter from Sam's. ?Well, when mill arrived
>> and I tried it in regular electric outlet, the darn thing sounded like
>> a 747 jet engine taking off. ?Much to my surpise (I should have
>> checked before buying the darn thing) the motor is rated at 1000
>> watts. ?It's a Blendtech Kitchen Mill.
>>
>> Question: ?Will most small kitchen appliances like mixers and
>> such work on a modified sine wave inverter? ?For the above grain mill,
>> what size inverter would you recommend. ?Any brand names you care to
>> suggest?
>>
>> What other kinds of household appliances can you run with the modified
>> sine wave inverter? ?I'm thinking of maybe buying a 1500 watt, or
>> would you go larger?
>>
>> Later, when finances permit, we plan to purchase a pure sine wave
>> inverter.
>All rotating electric motors like a pure sine wave. This is very
>difficult to achieve with electronic devices. (But square waves are
>easy). Hence cheap inverters tend to square or squarish wave forms.
>The further one departs from the sine wave the more the motor has to
>be derated, the worst case being a square wave. Without knowing the
>precise wave form it's hard to be specific. However, if there's lots
>of sparking at the brushes (I assume it's a "universal motor", ie with
>commutator & brushes), desist, you will f**k it up in a very short
>time.
>Not only will the brushes/commutator burn out, the motor will
>overheat, especially if run at full load.
>It's possible to modify a square wave to more like a sine wave with a
>"pi" network of capacitors and inductors but hardly economic unless
>you get them for free.
Posted by harry on January 13, 2010, 3:37 pm
> Would that be a "low pass filter"? If so, what cutoff frequency
> should you
> design it for?
> On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:55:58 -0800 (PST), harry
> >> I picked up a 115 vac grain mill via internet, and had intended to run
> >> it on
> >> our el-cheapo 500 watt inverter from Sam's. ?Well, when mill arrived
> >> and I tried it in regular electric outlet, the darn thing sounded like
> >> a 747 jet engine taking off. ?Much to my surpise (I should have
> >> checked before buying the darn thing) the motor is rated at 1000
> >> watts. ?It's a Blendtech Kitchen Mill.
> >> Question: ?Will most small kitchen appliances like mixers and
> >> such work on a modified sine wave inverter? ?For the above grain mill,
> >> what size inverter would you recommend. ?Any brand names you care to
> >> suggest?
> >> What other kinds of household appliances can you run with the modified
> >> sine wave inverter? ?I'm thinking of maybe buying a 1500 watt, or
> >> would you go larger?
> >> Later, when finances permit, we plan to purchase a pure sine wave
> >> inverter.
> >All rotating electric motors like a pure sine wave. This is very
> >difficult to achieve with electronic devices. (But square waves are
> >easy). Hence cheap inverters tend to square or squarish wave forms.
> >The further one departs from the sine wave the more the motor has to
> >be derated, the worst case being a square wave. Without knowing the
> >precise wave form it's hard to be specific. However, if there's lots
> >of sparking at the brushes (I assume it's a "universal motor", ie with
> >commutator & brushes), desist, you will f**k it up in a very short
> >time.
> >Not only will the brushes/commutator burn out, the motor will
> >overheat, especially if run at full load.
> >It's possible to modify a square wave to more like a sine wave with a
> >"pi" network of capacitors and inductors but hardly economic unless
> >you get them for free.- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -
Well frequency would not be an issue as it runs at the frequency the
inverter provides. It would consist of a capacitor in parallel with
the load followed by an inductor in series, then another capacitor in
parallel. (Hence the term pi network)
> it on
> our el-cheapo 500 watt inverter from Sam's. Well, when mill arrived
> and I tried it in regular electric outlet, the darn thing sounded like
> a 747 jet engine taking off. Much to my surpise (I should have
> checked before buying the darn thing) the motor is rated at 1000
> watts. It's a Blendtech Kitchen Mill.
> Question: Will most small kitchen appliances like mixers and
> such work on a modified sine wave inverter? For the above grain mill,
> what size inverter would you recommend. Any brand names you care to
> suggest?
> What other kinds of household appliances can you run with the modified
> sine wave inverter? I'm thinking of maybe buying a 1500 watt, or
> would you go larger?
> Later, when finances permit, we plan to purchase a pure sine wave
> inverter.