# 500 watts ac, What size battery?

Posted by noel on August 14, 2006, 5:47 am

I was trying to figure out how big a deep cycle battery would need to
be to power a printer (300 watts) and a laptop (200watts ?) via an
inverter (true sine), but I'm not getting what I think would be the
right amp/hr results. Say for example in an 8 hour period with the
laptop on all the time and the printer being used a total of 4 hours.
How big should the battery be?

Posted by Anthony Matonak on August 14, 2006, 6:49 am

noel wrote:

That would be some laptop that takes 200 Watts. Most range in the
60-80 Watt range. It is possible to get printers that take only 10
or 20 watts. Typically these would be inkjet printers.

That said, the calculation isn't terrible difficult but you would
need to know the efficiency of your inverter. That is, how much
power goes in the inverter compared to how much comes out. It's
never 100%. I would think a 500W true sine inverter could get in
the 80% range. This means 80% of the power you take from the battery
will come out the inverter as AC.

First figure total Watt-hours required.
200W x 8h + 300W x 4h = 2800 Wh AC

Next divide by the efficiency of the inverter to account for its loss.
2800 Wh / .8 = 3500 Wh required from the battery.

Watts = Volts x Amps so to convert Watt-hours to Amp-hours you
need to divide by the Voltage of the battery. Say it's 12 Volts.
3500 Wh / 12V = 292 Ah. You need a 300 Amp-hour battery (roughly).

Of course, if you reduce that to 80W for the laptop and 20W for
the printer then you get (80Wx8h + 20Wx4h)/.8/12V = 75 Amp-hours.

Remember, that you typically don't want to discharge your battery
more than 80% so you'll need to add that much more to the capacity.

Anthony

Posted by Dale Eastman on August 14, 2006, 11:44 am

Anthony Matonak wrote:

80% DOD?

I thought what I've read previously in this group was 20% DOD for good
battery life. Or does that depend upon the type of battery?

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Posted by Harry Chickpea on August 14, 2006, 12:24 pm

20% for a lead acid battery is a lot better.  50% would be max
discharge.  You also don't want to leave lead acid cells in a
seriously discharged state, so the type of charging and all of that
side of the battery specs start to come in as well.

Now about that printer - 300 watts sounds like a laser printer.
Running a laser printer off batteries sin't the greatest idea in the
world, but to their credit, they often have power saving features, so
the draw isn't a constant draw.

I'm trying to figure out what is driving Noel's question.  Why do
this?

Posted by Neon John on August 14, 2006, 6:27 pm

On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:44:26 GMT, Dale Eastman

I see people throwing all sorts of BS numbers around.  The generic
answer is "it depends".  Being an electric vehicle user owning
thousands of dollars worth of batteries, I have more than a casual
interest in this.

Trojan says that their batteries will achieve the specified cycle life
at 80% DOD.  Other manufacturers say anything from 50% to 80%.  In
large part this is specsmanship.  One can quote a MUCH higher cycle
life if it is specified at 50% than at 80%.  The slope of the curve of
cycle life between 50% and 80% is fairly gentle so there isn't a huge
amount to be gained.

In my EVs I try to limit DOD to 50% but I don't lose any sleep if I
have to go below that.  I put a hard limit (stop and run the gas
generator for awhile) at 80%.  The only way to know the DOD is with a
meter that counts amp-hours.  All my battery-operated vehicles contain
Link-10s, the cheapest AH meter that I know of that actually works.

In my RV, I routinely discharge to 80%.  I'm space limited as to the
amount of capacity I can carry, the batteries are cheap and the
convenience of long cycles is more important to me than cycle life.
Still, I get at least a couple of years of almost weekly use out of
'em.  I'm actually into my 4th season on this set of batteries, though
they're getting weak.

John
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John De Armond
See my website for my current email address
http://www.neon-john.com
Cleveland, Occupied TN

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 Re: 500 watts ac, What size battery? Anthony Matonak 08-14-2006
 Re: 500 watts ac, What size battery? Dale Eastman 08-14-2006
 Re: 500 watts ac, What size battery? Harry Chickpea 08-14-2006
 Re: 500 watts ac, What size battery? Dale Eastman 08-14-2006
 Re: 500 watts ac, What size battery? Peter Mounsey 08-14-2006
 Re: 500 watts ac, What size battery? Ashley Clarke 08-16-2006