Posted by me on January 6, 2010, 11:38 pm
>> what abt the new Kia Soul's weight?
>Nearly 200 pounds heavier that the Rio; 2560 compared to 2365 for the Rio.
>Neither of them get stellar fuel economy; 28 MPG (combined) compared to 30 for
>the Rio.
OK... but is 200 lbs enough to make much diff in fuel
economy?
Just curious how that weight/efficiency curve
looks..... I am engineering student
Posted by news on January 7, 2010, 1:01 am
On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:38:14 -0600, me@privacy.net wrote:
>>> what abt the new Kia Soul's weight?
>>
>>Nearly 200 pounds heavier that the Rio; 2560 compared to 2365 for the Rio.
>>Neither of them get stellar fuel economy; 28 MPG (combined) compared to 30 for
>>the Rio.
>OK... but is 200 lbs enough to make much diff in fuel
>economy?
>Just curious how that weight/efficiency curve
>looks..... I am engineering student
Probably more noticeable in stop & go driving, since the additional
weight has to be brought up to speed.
Apparently the major manufacturers think a few pounds is important:
Toyota advertises a "built-in bedliner" on some of their pickups - but
what they really mean is "we replaced the metal bed with a plastic
one".
My 2008 Tacoma (4 cyl, 4 speed automatic) does about 20-21 city and
26-27 highway (with improvement as you drop below 65mph). The Tacoma
could use a 5 or 6 speed automatic - it could get another 2-3 mpg both
city and highway with proper axle and transmission ratios. My
personal vehicle had been a 4 cylinder with a 4 or 5 speed manual
transmission for 25+ years until this purchase - the automatic is a
concession to the aging of my body (and the hardware in my back).
John
Posted by Neo on January 7, 2010, 11:06 pm
correction/whoops!
I can not believe I overlooked this!!! The lightest
car in the USA is not the 2009/2010 Toyota Yaris
but the 2009 Smart Fortwo (Pure 1.0L 3cyl 5AM)
whose curb weighs is only 1808lbs compared to
the 2010 Toyota Yaris which is 2340lbs. A
lighter curb weight by itself is not an absolute
energy efficiency advantage though. For example,
the 2009 Fiat Panda 1.1 has a curb weight atleast
100lbs more than the Smart Fortwo but it get
better mileage than a Smart ForTwo using a regular
gas engine and if you use a diesel engine its
mpg figures are comparable to a 2010 Prius!.
Yeah - its not available in the USA but it shows
how fuel efficent a regular ICE production car
could be. <sigh>
> > Good choices.
> > And more control on your part.
> > For garden-variety transport, especially in bad weather,
> > I suggest a Kia Rio, and a Scan-Gauge from Auto-Zone.
> > Or install a vacuum gauge.
> Scan-Gauge II needs a car with a OBD-II connector
> under the dashboard ( usually found on cars built after 1997)
> it will give instanteous MPG and RPMs which can help
> the driver put the least load on the ICE while getting
> the vehicle to go the maximum distance. The Kia
> Rio is second lowest curb weight car in the USA market
> today - the car with the lowest curb weight on sale
> in the USA is the Toyota Yaris (by about 100 pounds
> or so - but the Yaris is more expensive than the Kia Rio
> and the Kia Rio5 version has a larger max cargo bay
> than the Yaris 5dr/HB version).
Posted by Josepi on January 7, 2010, 11:10 pm
Usually these gadgets are not allowed into the USA due to safety standards
they cannot pass. Weitgh would imply more metal and strength of the box,
usually. I did say **imply** LOL
I wonder what the old Mini Minor came in at. Not the new monsters that are
twice the size and weight (I am sure)
correction/whoops!
I can not believe I overlooked this!!! The lightest
car in the USA is not the 2009/2010 Toyota Yaris
but the 2009 Smart Fortwo (Pure 1.0L 3cyl 5AM)
whose curb weighs is only 1808lbs compared to
the 2010 Toyota Yaris which is 2340lbs. A
lighter curb weight by itself is not an absolute
energy efficiency advantage though. For example,
the 2009 Fiat Panda 1.1 has a curb weight atleast
100lbs more than the Smart Fortwo but it get
better mileage than a Smart ForTwo using a regular
gas engine and if you use a diesel engine its
mpg figures are comparable to a 2010 Prius!.
Yeah - its not available in the USA but it shows
how fuel efficent a regular ICE production car
could be. <sigh>
> > Good choices.
> > And more control on your part.
> > For garden-variety transport, especially in bad weather,
> > I suggest a Kia Rio, and a Scan-Gauge from Auto-Zone.
> > Or install a vacuum gauge.
> Scan-Gauge II needs a car with a OBD-II connector
> under the dashboard ( usually found on cars built after 1997)
> it will give instanteous MPG and RPMs which can help
> the driver put the least load on the ICE while getting
> the vehicle to go the maximum distance. The Kia
> Rio is second lowest curb weight car in the USA market
> today - the car with the lowest curb weight on sale
> in the USA is the Toyota Yaris (by about 100 pounds
> or so - but the Yaris is more expensive than the Kia Rio
> and the Kia Rio5 version has a larger max cargo bay
> than the Yaris 5dr/HB version).
Posted by hubops on January 8, 2010, 2:26 pm
>I wonder what the old Mini Minor came in at. Not the new monsters that are
>twice the size and weight (I am sure)
About 600 kg according to this site.
http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/default.aspx?carIDd75&i=2#menu
About 725 kg for the VW Beetle.
http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/default.aspx?carID 213&i=2#menu
John T.
XML site map
>Nearly 200 pounds heavier that the Rio; 2560 compared to 2365 for the Rio.
>Neither of them get stellar fuel economy; 28 MPG (combined) compared to 30 for
>the Rio.