Posted by Curbie on January 3, 2010, 9:37 pm
People have to weigh the risks for themselves, for me, I've see people
in their air-bagged, seat-belted, anti-locked safety-mobiles get
T-boned and killed at a intersection when another driver wasn't paying
attention to the light. I've also seen motorcyclists riding on their
bike backwards, on one wheel, doing 70mph a lived through it! It seems
to me, life is sort of a crap-shoot and you can't change the odds by
NOT rolling the dice.
I've never seen someone on a motorcycle gabbing on their cell-phone,
fixing their make-up, eating, or tending to their baby OR someone in a
car doing the backwards wheely thing, but it seem to me there may be a
little more to safety than what you're driving.
I've kept an eye on my fuel mileage and it has been getting around
70mpg, and thinking about being completely independent of any fuel
source, I may monkey around with one of these scooter to see if I can
get them to run well on alcohol (Ethenol), I don't think peddle power
is really the thing for me.
Curbie
Posted by Jim Wilkins on January 4, 2010, 1:23 am
> People have to weigh the risks for themselves, ...
I've been lucky and only scrunched a foot under a motorcycle, nothing
broken, not as bad as my bicycle crashes. Helmet, leathers and steel
toed boots helped.
It was really interesting to watch the change in a store clerk when a
bunch of us pulled up, all in black leather and dusty from the road,
then they found out I was actually polite and articulate in the local
language. We didn't realize we had crossed from Quebec into New
Brunswick so I addressed the clerk in French and got an awful nasty
reaction, then in English and she apologized and was very nice to us.
> I've kept an eye on my fuel mileage and it has been getting around
> 70mpg, ...>
> Curbie
I got 60 MPG from a Honda 350 twin before putting saddlebags on it,
then 50 - 55. IIRC the CB400F averaged around 50. They were at the low
end of acceptable on long trips.
jsw
Posted by Curbie on January 4, 2010, 5:21 am
Jim,
>I've been lucky and only scrunched a foot under a motorcycle, nothing
>broken, not as bad as my bicycle crashes. Helmet, leathers and steel
>toed boots helped.
For me, this just illustrates my point that, how you approach the act
of driving is more telling of your results, than what you're driving.
>I got 60 MPG from a Honda 350 twin before putting saddlebags on it,
>then 50 - 55. IIRC the CB400F averaged around 50. They were at the low
>end of acceptable on long trips.
At this point I will wait until I get settled somewhere before I make
a decision on what vehicle I'll get next, but I think some sort of
bike will fit into the picture somewhere. As much as I think shifting
gears would help MPG, those CVTs are fascinating and simple
mechanisms.
Curbie
Posted by nospam on January 4, 2010, 3:54 am
Neo wrote:
> Going over 25 mph on a scooter would be very dangerous - if the
> scooter hits anything or if anything hits that scooter then the
> scooter is going to spin out-of-control and the driver would be
> thrown off the scooter and most likely killed instantaneously
> when the driven hit the earth again.
>
> Since the scooter's fuel efficiency would suffer greatly from
> air resistance at speed over 35 mph - the scooters could
> probably only acheive 70 mpg if it was driven between under 33 mph.
> If a scooter was driven constantly at 60mph its fuel efficiency
> would probably drop to about 30mpg to 35mpg due to
> the wind resistance the scooter's engine would have to
> overcome.
Having ridden motorcycles and scooters from 80cc on up for 40 years I
can say that's bullshit. Even large dinosaur primitive motorcycles such
as 1200cc Harley's get close to 55mpg on the highway.
>
> In Europe, a driver can get easily get 60 mpg (at about 45mph)
> and carry 4 passengers plus six bags of groceries using a
>
> VW Polo Bluemotion
> Toyota Agoya
>
> And they would also be highway legal (capable of 75 mph),
> have a longer range, (400 miles) and be much safer than
> a scooter in a collision.
None of these are available in North America, so the point is moot.
Posted by vaughn on January 4, 2010, 1:49 pm
> Having ridden motorcycles and scooters from 80cc on up for 40 years I can say
> that's bullshit. Even large dinosaur primitive motorcycles such as 1200cc
> Harley's get close to 55mpg on the highway.
Perhaps, but my beloved 1965 600cc Beemer only managed in the 30's. Primitive
carburetors.
Vaughn