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Posted by Josepi on April 10, 2010, 2:18 am
 


LOL.

 I always figured the 40 cents/kWh  they initially offered was only about a
break even point. Apparently so did most others as they up'd it to 80 cents
now, if the PV panels are on the roof.

Talking to Hydro One the other day about my meter received register
disapearing, and they offered me the 80 cents and told me they (office
people)  didn't really care if they were on my roof or not. I just don't
want to put in a new electric service and second meter to get it for my
measly system and then have them freak out when I stand my wind turbine up
again. Yup, needs another meter for another rate.

Your 33 cents break even point sounds about right, off the cuff.

I found some weather network info that supports my 15 hours of sunlight,
here, for December and January. They are not presenting the stats for PV so
it is hard to actually compare. I guess this is more of a turbine area. Mine
was so scary in these winds I was glad to have it down for my home
construction. I had a burned off phase, inside it, and could not stop the
thing...LOL




I make it a "break-even" at $.329/kWh -- but it would take 171 years with
zero maintenance!  Not very realistic!


I'm glad to help, but I abhor physical violence.

There is a lot of misinformation out there.  And it is on both the overly
optimistic as well as the overly pessimistic sides.

"Onward through the fog"

Best wishes,

 --ron
--ron



Posted by Ron Rosenfeld on April 10, 2010, 2:33 am
 




Ah!  I was wondering where you got that $.40/kWh number.  Now I see.  I
heard about their offer for the first time in this thread, and by then it
was up to $.80 / kWh


I've got a wind turbine, also.  As a matter of fact, I started with wind;
then added PV after a few years to increase generation during the summer
months, when the wind tends to die down.  Fortunately, my turbine furls in
high winds, so I don't need a load to control the speed.
--ron

Posted by Josepi on April 10, 2010, 3:40 am
 

I believe they called it "The Standard Offer" at about 40 cents /kWh.
Interesting thing about that is the credit is given on "all" the energy you
generate into the system from PV, even if you use it all and buy it back at
current rates...LOL This is the same for the microFIT at 80 cents programme.

I watched as out Engineers went through fits to determine how they would
meter this and it turns out you need to install another meter base and a
complete seperate system to it. I demonstrated how to make free money off
this system by feeding the current rate load meter back into the PV supply
meter. The system has to be under lock and seal by the utility company
against other sources of energy getting into it. At 80 cents / kWh even a
set of batteries and some clever MPPT manipulation could make some devious
free credits. I won't disclose how to do this here. I am sure you can
imagine how to do it. Too many smarts listening.

My turbine furls in high winds also.  The thing was out of control without
the third phase "shortable" or "loadable" and the blades were a little off
balanced. The whole thing frightened the crap out of me a few nights, until
warmer weather came.  I even moved the car down the street one night...LOL

With the load off a wind turbine (batteries overcharged and the POS
controller  burned out circuits after the first runaway), the normal 48vdc
output generator went up to over 200vac before I could get the shorts back
on it. That was the time I learned not to let a turbine get out of control.
This thing will put out hundreds of volts in a mild wind, (speed dependant)
without any load to slow it down. It takes high winds to make most turbines
furl. It only takes mild winds and no load to make them runaway and generate
higher voltages than I would have expected. RPM linear. The next time I will
have my backup circuits in place. It will have to be a hand build 'cause
nobody can sell me a turbine controller circuit. They appear to only come
with the turbines. I don't know what you would do if one burns out.


I've got a wind turbine, also.  As a matter of fact, I started with wind;
then added PV after a few years to increase generation during the summer
months, when the wind tends to die down.  Fortunately, my turbine furls in
high winds, so I don't need a load to control the speed.
--ron



Posted by hubops on April 10, 2010, 10:00 am
 


  < snips >

Are you in southwestern Ontario  Josepi  ?
... ever seen the back-yard wind genny at Kintore ?
http://www.windchasers.ca/charlie.htm
  John T.


Posted by Josepi on April 10, 2010, 1:29 pm
 

Yes but I never get that direction in Ontario, so far. First I ever heard of
the town.

Impressive home project. Quite a feat and turbine!



  < snips >

Are you in southwestern Ontario  Josepi  ?
... ever seen the back-yard wind genny at Kintore ?
http://www.windchasers.ca/charlie.htm
  John T.




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