Posted by Eeyore on January 15, 2009, 12:35 am
Rick Samuel wrote:
> >> With the coming world energy crisis
> >
> > There isn't one. Not tomorrow, the day after, even for many, many decades
> > on end. In fact there never will be one because of the human ability to
> > adapt and innovate.
> Correct, there won't be a shortage of energy, you just won't be able to
> afford it. like anything else, it'll be there, but at what cost?
How much does it cost to chop a tree down ? Carbon neutral fuel too.
Graham
Posted by harry k on January 15, 2009, 10:58 am
wrote:
> Rick Samuel wrote:
> > >> With the coming world energy crisis
> > > There isn't one. Not tomorrow, the day after, even for many, many decades
> > > on end. In fact there never will be one because of the human ability to
> > > adapt and innovate.
> > Correct, there won't be a shortage of energy, you just won't be able to
> > afford it. like anything else, it'll be there, but at what cost?
> How much does it cost to chop a tree down ? Carbon neutral fuel too.
> Graham
Well....yes and no. Short term it is carbon positive as you are
destroying wood faster than nature would. I heat with wood almost
100% and know that I cannot possibly grow trees faster than I am using
them...at least not on the limited space I have and that is true of
the vast majority of we who use wood for heat/energy.
Harry K
Posted by Jim Wilkins on January 15, 2009, 1:02 pm
> wrote:
> > Rick Samuel wrote:
> > How much does it cost to chop a tree down ? Carbon neutral fuel too.
> > Graham
> Well....yes and no. Short term it is carbon positive as you are
> destroying wood faster than nature would. I heat with wood almost
> 100% and know that I cannot possibly grow trees faster than I am using
> them...at least not on the limited space I have and that is true of
> the vast majority of we who use wood for heat/energy.
> Harry K
I've heard that a carefully managed 5 acre woodlot will heat a house
perpetually. Mine is a little over 1/2 acre and I don't think quite a
years worth dies in 10 years. I haven't measured it because they are
straight enough to make good lumber, so I built a sawmill instead.
I get my firewood from a lot in which maybe 20 - 30 acres is
accessible to vehicles. The owners have given their friends permission
to take dead or fallen trees only. It has supplied roughly 5 cords a
year for a couple of decades and dead trees are very hard to find
now.
jw
Posted by Eeyore on January 16, 2009, 12:08 am
Jim Wilkins wrote:
> > > Rick Samuel wrote:
> > > How much does it cost to chop a tree down ? Carbon neutral fuel too.
> > > Graham
> >
> > Well....yes and no. Short term it is carbon positive as you are
> > destroying wood faster than nature would. I heat with wood almost
> > 100% and know that I cannot possibly grow trees faster than I am using
> > them...at least not on the limited space I have and that is true of
> > the vast majority of we who use wood for heat/energy.
> I've heard that a carefully managed 5 acre woodlot will heat a house
> perpetually. Mine is a little over 1/2 acre and I don't think quite a
> years worth dies in 10 years. I haven't measured it because they are
> straight enough to make good lumber, so I built a sawmill instead.
> I get my firewood from a lot in which maybe 20 - 30 acres is
> accessible to vehicles. The owners have given their friends permission
> to take dead or fallen trees only. It has supplied roughly 5 cords a
> year for a couple of decades and dead trees are very hard to find
> now.
Grow more woods ! They cost effectively zero.
Graham
Posted by Jim Wilkins on January 16, 2009, 8:07 am
wrote:
> Jim Wilkins wrote:
> ...
> Grow more woods ! They cost effectively zero.
> Graham
No, they cost taxes without producing a compensating steady income,
and lost investment potential. The farmers around here have concluded
that they could make more by selling their land for housing
developments than they could possibly earn from its crops in a
lifetime. The only forests left are on hilly, rocky or swampy ground
that the developers had passed up, and now they are blasting roads
even there. Up north the paper mills are closing, they can't make a
profit off their enormous forest holdings. It looks like only the bad
economy stopped the sale of the land I cut firewood on.
jw
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> >
> > There isn't one. Not tomorrow, the day after, even for many, many decades
> > on end. In fact there never will be one because of the human ability to
> > adapt and innovate.
> Correct, there won't be a shortage of energy, you just won't be able to
> afford it. like anything else, it'll be there, but at what cost?