Posted by Eeyore on January 16, 2009, 12:07 am
harry k wrote:
> > Rick Samuel wrote:
> > > >> With the coming world energy crisis
> >
> > > > There isn't one. Not tomorrow, the day after, even for many, many decades
> > > > on end. In fact there never will be one because of the human ability to
> > > > adapt and innovate.
> >
> > > Correct, there won't be a shortage of energy, you just won't be able to
> > > afford it. like anything else, it'll be there, but at what cost?
> >
> > How much does it cost to chop a tree down ? Carbon neutral fuel too.
> Well....yes and no. Short term it is carbon positive as you are
> destroying wood faster than nature would. I heat with wood almost
> 100% and know that I cannot possibly grow trees faster than I am using
> them...at least not on the limited space I have and that is true of
> the vast majority of we who use wood for heat/energy.
Well then get a bigger wood ! It's *perfectly* do-able. And you create high grade
soil fertiliser into the bargain.
Do you have no insight ? Willow is best btw.
Graham
Posted by harry k on January 16, 2009, 2:29 pm
wrote:
> harry k wrote:
> > > Rick Samuel wrote:
> > > > >> With the coming world energy crisis
> > > > > There isn't one. Not tomorrow, the day after, even for many, many decades
> > > > > on end. In fact there never will be one because of the human ability to
> > > > > adapt and innovate.
> > > > Correct, there won't be a shortage of energy, you just won't be able to
> > > > afford it. like anything else, it'll be there, but at what cost?
> > > How much does it cost to chop a tree down ? Carbon neutral fuel too.
> > Well....yes and no. Short term it is carbon positive as you are
> > destroying wood faster than nature would. I heat with wood almost
> > 100% and know that I cannot possibly grow trees faster than I am using
> > them...at least not on the limited space I have and that is true of
> > the vast majority of we who use wood for heat/energy.
> Well then get a bigger wood ! It's *perfectly* do-able. And you create high grade
> soil fertiliser into the bargain.
> Do you have no insight ? Willow is best btw.
> Graham- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -
So you missed the point? Nothing new for you. The point is that
there is not enough land available for everyone burning wood to grow
their own.
I do undeerstand that you don't like your simplistic assumptions to be
refuted. I repeat that burning wood is _not_ carbon neutral in the
long run and gave valid reasons why.
Harry K
Posted by Eeyore on January 17, 2009, 4:19 am
harry k wrote:
> > harry k wrote:
> > > > Rick Samuel wrote:
> > > > > >> With the coming world energy crisis
> >
> > > > > > There isn't one. Not tomorrow, the day after, even for many, many
decades
> > > > > > on end. In fact there never will be one because of the human ability
to
> > > > > > adapt and innovate.
> >
> > > > > Correct, there won't be a shortage of energy, you just won't be able
to
> > > > > afford it. like anything else, it'll be there, but at what cost?
> >
> > > > How much does it cost to chop a tree down ? Carbon neutral fuel too.
> >
> > > Well....yes and no. Short term it is carbon positive as you are
> > > destroying wood faster than nature would. I heat with wood almost
> > > 100% and know that I cannot possibly grow trees faster than I am using
> > > them...at least not on the limited space I have and that is true of
> > > the vast majority of we who use wood for heat/energy.
> >
> > Well then get a bigger wood ! It's *perfectly* do-able. And you create high
grade
> > soil fertiliser into the bargain.
> >
> > Do you have no insight ? Willow is best btw.
> So you missed the point? Nothing new for you. The point is that
> there is not enough land available for everyone burning wood to grow
> their own.
Where did I suggest such a thing ? I suggest you look at the absence of trees in
many
lightly populated areas where it would easily suffice for local needs. Try
Scotland for
starters.
Graham
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> > > >> With the coming world energy crisis
> >
> > > > There isn't one. Not tomorrow, the day after, even for many, many decades
> > > > on end. In fact there never will be one because of the human ability to
> > > > adapt and innovate.
> >
> > > Correct, there won't be a shortage of energy, you just won't be able to
> > > afford it. like anything else, it'll be there, but at what cost?
> >
> > How much does it cost to chop a tree down ? Carbon neutral fuel too.
> Well....yes and no. Short term it is carbon positive as you are
> destroying wood faster than nature would. I heat with wood almost
> 100% and know that I cannot possibly grow trees faster than I am using
> them...at least not on the limited space I have and that is true of
> the vast majority of we who use wood for heat/energy.