Posted by JIMMIE on May 10, 2009, 9:40 pm
> I'd like to use it as a motor. It can power a bike, go cart, etc. Those
> motors that currently come on scooters are cheap made in china trash
> that tend to burn up without that much effort.
> Jim Rojas
Alternators can be used as stepper motors. I think there was an
article in"Nuts & Volts" several years back. I think it was a Don
Lancaster article.
He may have something on his website.
Jimmie
Posted by Martin Riddle on May 10, 2009, 8:45 pm
> Jim Rojas wrote:
>> Permanent magnet motors are in the $00 range now. This defeats the
>> purpose of low cost setups. Alternators can be used in many
>> applications that require DC motors. An alternator can be converted
>> for under $00. Making stators for wind generators is way too time
>> consuming, plus is has to be done exactly right. I figured that an
>> off the shelf Delco 12si can do the job better, and at much lower
>> cost.
>>
>> Jim Rojas
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> vaughn wrote:
>>
>>>> Does anyone have any step by step guide to doing this?
>>>
>>> Step 1: Sell alternator
>>>
>>> Step 2: Use the money you get from the alternator to buy a motor.
>>>
>>> Seriously; tell us what you are trying to accomplish and perhaps we
>>> can be a bit more help.
>>>
>>> If this is for some "over-unity" experiment, please leave out the
>>> hompower and renewable groups in your future postings.
>>>
>>> Vaughn
>>>
>> .
> Do I understand that what you are trying to do is to convert an
> automotive alternator to a DC generator for a wind-powered generator?
> The only sort of wind generator I know of that requires a motor is the
> sort that lifted Marilyn Monroe's skirt.
> Of course it would never have occurred to the manufacturers of wind
> generators that they could do their job better and cheaper with an
> off-the-shelf auto alternator. What were they thinking? :)
> If you want to use such an alternator to generate 12V DC power from
> wind, it doesn't need any converting just tie a propeller on the front
> and run it up the flagpole. If that's not what you want to achieve,
> then you'll have to be more specific.
> Tim Jackson
He wants to convert a alternator to a motor. To replace the pancake
motors used on scooters.
Which IMO is not a good idea, they're not designed for that. Buy a good
dc motor.
Cheers
Posted by Jim Rojas on May 10, 2009, 9:12 pm
>> Tim Jackson
>
> He wants to convert a alternator to a motor. To replace the pancake
> motors used on scooters.
>
> Which IMO is not a good idea, they're not designed for that. Buy a good
> dc motor.
>
> Cheers
>
>
Plus the fact that I can get 3000+ RPM from an alternator without too
much excessive heat or wear. A scooter motor won't last very long that
those speeds. I also looked into stepper motors, and treadmill motors.
But I am looking for something I wont have a hard time getting
replacement parts for. Alternators are in abundance, usually $0-20 at
any salvage yard.
Jim Rojas
Posted by Tim Jackson on May 11, 2009, 7:30 am
Jim Rojas wrote:
>>> Tim Jackson
>>
>> He wants to convert a alternator to a motor. To replace the pancake
>> motors used on scooters.
>>
>> Which IMO is not a good idea, they're not designed for that. Buy a
>> good dc motor.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>
> Plus the fact that I can get 3000+ RPM from an alternator without too
> much excessive heat or wear. A scooter motor won't last very long that
> those speeds. I also looked into stepper motors, and treadmill motors.
> But I am looking for something I wont have a hard time getting
> replacement parts for. Alternators are in abundance, usually $0-20 at
> any salvage yard.
>
> Jim Rojas
I guess you could drive one with a 3-phase inverter, but it wouldn't be
very efficient and you wouldn't get much torque; plenty of rpm though,
they're rated at least 10,000. You'd need a lot of Hz to get there.
Battery powered high-speed motor inverters aren't lying around, the only
ones I've seen are heavies, for fork lift trucks or trams. There are
such things as brushless servo motors which use basically the same idea,
they are industry standard for motion control these days, and tend to
replace pancake motors. But they aren't cheap, I think a motor +
inverter set typically comes in about $000 or something like that,
depending on size.
Tim Jackson
Posted by Don Kelly on May 12, 2009, 5:09 am
>>> Tim Jackson
>>
>> He wants to convert a alternator to a motor. To replace the pancake
>> motors used on scooters.
>>
>> Which IMO is not a good idea, they're not designed for that. Buy a good
>> dc motor.
>>
>> Cheers
> Plus the fact that I can get 3000+ RPM from an alternator without too much
> excessive heat or wear. A scooter motor won't last very long that those
> speeds. I also looked into stepper motors, and treadmill motors. But I am
> looking for something I wont have a hard time getting replacement parts
> for. Alternators are in abundance, usually $0-20 at any salvage yard.
> Jim Rojas
In Theory and with some considerable extra costs- you could do it. If you
apply DC to the terminals of an automotive alternator, you will get nothing.
You would have to strip the diodes out and provide an appropriate 3 phase
drive- at this stage you have something that is far more expensive and
complex than the alternatives.
As Tim has indicated- you can get something that works- at a greater cost
and effort than the alternatives. The speed of an alternator is frequency
dependent - do you have a variable frequency polyphase source?
Alternatively- go with the pancake motor that is designed to do the job
efficiently and properly rather than try to adapt something designed to do
another job efficiently and appropriately. If you picked up an old
generator(DC) as used prior to the adoption of alternators for automotive
applications, the conversion would be much simpler.
So- what do you want to accomplish? That is the primary consideration- then
consider the alternative approaches to this.
--
Don Kelly
dhky@shawcross.ca
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> motors that currently come on scooters are cheap made in china trash
> that tend to burn up without that much effort.
> Jim Rojas