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Posted by The Alien on December 22, 2005, 12:24 am

X-No-archive: yes On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:07:19 GMT, Seethis Pass >Can
the ambient voltage found between the ground and a tree, be

It gives the meaning "green energy" a whole new meaning!  ;)

Autobot This Spammers!
(to reply to actual address, dispense the dots before
and after sirname.

Posted by Gordon Richmond on December 22, 2005, 9:04 am

My analysis?

Snake oil, backed by a little Grade 6 science.

As the others have said, a nail of one kind of metal driven into a
tree, combined with a ground rod of a dissimilar metal, constitutes a
crude battery (electrochemical cell, if you want to be pedantic).

There may well be an EMF created by the sap flowing in the tree under
osmotic pressure, in which case, it should be possible to measure it
using LIKE electrodes.

But in either case, I expect that the internal resistance of such a
cell would be so high that very little current can flow, even into a
dead short on the external circuit. (What's the surface area of a
nail? That's one of the "plates" of your battery. Real batteries have
plates with substantial surface are, because current capacity of a
battery is directly related to the available plate surface.)

His circuit to "stack" multiples of the 0.7 volts is nothing magic;
nothing more than a rudimentary switching power supply. If he triples
the voltage, then the available current will be reduced to a third,
because the 0.7 volt source spends one third of its time charging each
capacitor in turn.

Remember, voltage is not power. Power is the product of voltage and

And one more point: the tiny amount of power this cell generates comes
from the oxidation of one of the metal electrodes. That metal was made
is a smelter by reducing it from its ore by use of coal or electric
current. So when you operate such a battery, you are really recovering
some of the energy consumed to manufacture the metal (which is exactly
what happens when you run your Ipod off a Duracell.)

There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

Gordon Richmond

Posted by Seethis Pass on December 22, 2005, 1:02 pm

On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:04:35 GMT, Gordon Richmond

Mag Cap, who is involved in this claim states the following

CANTON, Mass., December 17, 2001 -
markets, and capabilities. MagCap Engineering manufactures custom
power transformers and
reactors; pulse forming networks, oil filled transformers with
expansion bellows; high voltage power
transformers and inverters; high voltage filament and isolation
transformers; pulse transformers;
trigger transformers; current transformers and power supplies. MagCap
supplies these products
primarily to the broadcast, telecommunication, food, microwave,
military, and defense industries.
Al so descr i bed i s t he company s engi neer i ng and manuf act ur
i ng oper at i ons.MagCap
Engineering uses AUTOCAD for mechanical drawings, ORCAD for electrical
design and MagCap
Transformer Software to provide customers with a design and quote
within 24 hours.
Numerous testimonials from customers such as Thomcast Communications,
Raytheon and
Ferrite are also included.
A free copy of the brochure can be obtained by contacting MagCap
Engineering LLC, 222
Bolivar Street, Canton, MA 02021; telephone (781) 821-2300.
MagCap Engineering, LLC is a leading custom designer and manufacturer
of magnetics of
all sizes for the broadcast, telecommunication, microwave, military
and defense industries. The
company also consults on refurbishing existing units and is a major
repair center for magnetics.

Posted by Derek Broughton on December 22, 2005, 1:24 pm

Seethis Pass wrote:

Either that's pure fiction, or somebody's claiming a relationship with this
company that doesn't exist, because anybody actually in that business
wouldn't be wasting their time with tree-batteries.

Posted by SolarFlare on December 23, 2005, 2:24 am

Somebody is barking up the wrong....never mind.


manufactures custom

transformers with

and isolation

power supplies. MagCap

relationship with this

in that business

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