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Posted by Jim Wilkins on December 4, 2012, 4:25 pm

I like the quick and easy Arduino c compiler too, but it encourages
writing and testing in short pieces which can eat into the program
memory's limited write cycle life.

I don't like the low A/D converter resolution for serious


Posted by mike on December 4, 2012, 6:53 pm
On 12/4/2012 8:25 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:

I'm sure professional C programmers don't have the problem...but
for the occasional hobby program, I like BASIC-like languages.
If I have the algorithm right, I can usually make it work easily
with BASIC.  With C, I spent more time being hassled by the compiler
than I did debugging the algorithm.  I exceeded my frustration
limit and attention span.
I went back to BASIC.
Yes, it's clearly my fault, but the result is the same.

With the breadboards and single-layer PCBs that fall within my
attention span, I find that 10-bits is more than sufficient resolution
to measure the system noise. ;-)

Posted by Jim Wilkins on December 4, 2012, 8:00 pm
Agreed. I started with Pascal on a mainframe, then wrote a lot of
QBasic under DOS on the lab test systems I mentioned. QBasic has
nearly the same structure as c but it's wordier and requires explicit
definitions of functions and variable types, which makes it easier to
understand and modify two months later if you aren't a full-time

I'm still looking for a good open-source replacement for QBasic with
its simple power and interpret/compile flexibility and a real Windows
interface. Visual Basic dropped the INP and OUT statements that talk
to the hardware registers, so I can't write low-level device drivers
in it.

Posted by mike on December 4, 2012, 8:31 pm
 On 12/4/2012 12:00 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:

Not clear what you seek.  I switched my non-gui stuff to freebasic.
It has a real windows interface, but doesn't create an app with a
Windows GUI.
The base program is spartan, but fbide.exe is the GUI you want.

Gambas3 looks interesting.  It can create a windows GUI (small w) but
runs on linux.

Visual Basic dropped the INP and OUT statements that talk

Have you tried this?
I can't recall whether I've tried it with win7, but it worked well in XP
when called from VB6.

Posted by Curbie on December 5, 2012, 2:33 am
 On Tue, 4 Dec 2012 15:00:11 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"

It's a BIG programming No-No, to address hardware directly in Windows,
you're support to API calls, I may still have a VB serial port API
Library laying around somewhere on my system if you're interested in


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