Posted by Eeyore on April 3, 2009, 3:28 am
RF wrote:
> Add to that the toxic high fructose corn syrup - also subsidized!
An intentional political choice.
Graham
Posted by Lord Gow333, Dirk Benedict's n on April 2, 2009, 1:31 am
>> Ow the humanity!!!!!
>>
>> While people are starving we are turning perfectly good soy beans into
>> candle wax.
>>
>> The candle lobby even has the environmental groups fooled. They have them
>> promoting such an atrocity as soy candles. Burning perfectly good
>> tofu.!!!!
>>
>>
>>
>> I demand that they stop this stupidity and lead a ban on this horrible
>> practice NOW!!!!!!!!
>>
>> Every time you burn a soy candle, think of the starving child that will
>> not get a tofu bar tonight.
>>
>>
> This is like the governments farm bill to only use corn to make alcohol.
> Which caused corn to be sold for alcohol and not for food because the
> farmers got more money for it. The results were that people around the
> world go hungry so we can drive our cars and get less fuel mileage than if
> we were to use 100% gasoline. So there is no gain in the fuel supply at
> all. It just takes more to go the same distance. Another result is that a
> lot of animal feed is based on corn which is why the price of chicken and
> eggs went up. Because the price of feed went up.
FWIW most of what animals benefit from out of corn is still there after the
distilling process and is sold to local farmers. The sugar that is removed
pretty much just makes animals fidgetty (just like children).
>Yet the fields of sugar beets and other crops with a high sugar content
>cannot be used for fuel, because of the tax incentives is only for corn.
This is still stupid however. Personally I live in the Western New York
fruit belt. Back in the 70s when gas went up (and I was a wee impressionable
young'un) I looked into distilling corn alcohol and decided that apple jack
was a much simpler way to go. All those bruised apples that possibly get
made into cider, or more likely get made into hog food or compost, could
yield a fine bit of white lightning with just a bit of yeast and some heat.
:-)
LG
--
"Keep it simple. If it takes a genius to understand it, it will never work."
- Clarence Leonard “Kelly” Johnson
Posted by Richard W. on April 5, 2009, 3:14 am
>>
>>> Ow the humanity!!!!!
>>>
>>> While people are starving we are turning perfectly good soy beans into
>>> candle wax.
>>>
>>> The candle lobby even has the environmental groups fooled. They have
>>> them promoting such an atrocity as soy candles. Burning perfectly good
>>> tofu.!!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I demand that they stop this stupidity and lead a ban on this horrible
>>> practice NOW!!!!!!!!
>>>
>>> Every time you burn a soy candle, think of the starving child that will
>>> not get a tofu bar tonight.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> This is like the governments farm bill to only use corn to make alcohol.
>> Which caused corn to be sold for alcohol and not for food because the
>> farmers got more money for it. The results were that people around the
>> world go hungry so we can drive our cars and get less fuel mileage than
>> if we were to use 100% gasoline. So there is no gain in the fuel supply
>> at all. It just takes more to go the same distance. Another result is
>> that a lot of animal feed is based on corn which is why the price of
>> chicken and eggs went up. Because the price of feed went up.
> FWIW most of what animals benefit from out of corn is still there after
> the distilling process and is sold to local farmers. The sugar that is
> removed pretty much just makes animals fidgetty (just like children).
>>Yet the fields of sugar beets and other crops with a high sugar content
>>cannot be used for fuel, because of the tax incentives is only for corn.
> This is still stupid however. Personally I live in the Western New York
> fruit belt. Back in the 70s when gas went up (and I was a wee
> impressionable young'un) I looked into distilling corn alcohol and decided
> that apple jack was a much simpler way to go. All those bruised apples
> that possibly get made into cider, or more likely get made into hog food
> or compost, could yield a fine bit of white lightning with just a bit of
> yeast and some heat. :-)
> LG
> --
The fruit growers turn over sized and blemished fruit in drinking alcohol.
They actual get more for it than the fruit.
Richard W.
Posted by Lord Gow333, Dirk Benedict's n on April 7, 2009, 8:02 pm
>>
>>>
>>>> Ow the humanity!!!!!
>>>>
>>>> While people are starving we are turning perfectly good soy beans into
>>>> candle wax.
>>>>
>>>> The candle lobby even has the environmental groups fooled. They have
>>>> them promoting such an atrocity as soy candles. Burning perfectly good
>>>> tofu.!!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I demand that they stop this stupidity and lead a ban on this horrible
>>>> practice NOW!!!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>> Every time you burn a soy candle, think of the starving child that will
>>>> not get a tofu bar tonight.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> This is like the governments farm bill to only use corn to make alcohol.
>>> Which caused corn to be sold for alcohol and not for food because the
>>> farmers got more money for it. The results were that people around the
>>> world go hungry so we can drive our cars and get less fuel mileage than
>>> if we were to use 100% gasoline. So there is no gain in the fuel supply
>>> at all. It just takes more to go the same distance. Another result is
>>> that a lot of animal feed is based on corn which is why the price of
>>> chicken and eggs went up. Because the price of feed went up.
>>
>> FWIW most of what animals benefit from out of corn is still there after
>> the distilling process and is sold to local farmers. The sugar that is
>> removed pretty much just makes animals fidgetty (just like children).
>>
>>>Yet the fields of sugar beets and other crops with a high sugar content
>>>cannot be used for fuel, because of the tax incentives is only for corn.
>>
>> This is still stupid however. Personally I live in the Western New York
>> fruit belt. Back in the 70s when gas went up (and I was a wee
>> impressionable young'un) I looked into distilling corn alcohol and
>> decided that apple jack was a much simpler way to go. All those bruised
>> apples that possibly get made into cider, or more likely get made into
>> hog food or compost, could yield a fine bit of white lightning with just
>> a bit of yeast and some heat. :-)
>>
>> LG
>> --
>>
> The fruit growers turn over sized and blemished fruit in drinking alcohol.
> They actual get more for it than the fruit.
We have a local man who manages a fruit farm while his wife runs a winery.
He says he'll be harvesting ______, have surplus or damaged fruits, and call
home to say "Honey, tonight you're making ______ wine."
Works if you have enough of an outlet for it...
LG
--
"Keep it simple. If it takes a genius to understand it, it will never work."
- Clarence Leonard “Kelly” Johnson
Posted by Richard W. on April 8, 2009, 3:18 pm
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Ow the humanity!!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> While people are starving we are turning perfectly good soy beans into
>>>>> candle wax.
>>>>>
>>>>> The candle lobby even has the environmental groups fooled. They have
>>>>> them promoting such an atrocity as soy candles. Burning perfectly good
>>>>> tofu.!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I demand that they stop this stupidity and lead a ban on this horrible
>>>>> practice NOW!!!!!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Every time you burn a soy candle, think of the starving child that
>>>>> will not get a tofu bar tonight.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is like the governments farm bill to only use corn to make
>>>> alcohol. Which caused corn to be sold for alcohol and not for food
>>>> because the farmers got more money for it. The results were that
>>>> people around the world go hungry so we can drive our cars and get less
>>>> fuel mileage than if we were to use 100% gasoline. So there is no gain
>>>> in the fuel supply at all. It just takes more to go the same distance.
>>>> Another result is that a lot of animal feed is based on corn which is
>>>> why the price of chicken and eggs went up. Because the price of feed
>>>> went up.
>>>
>>> FWIW most of what animals benefit from out of corn is still there after
>>> the distilling process and is sold to local farmers. The sugar that is
>>> removed pretty much just makes animals fidgetty (just like children).
>>>
>>>>Yet the fields of sugar beets and other crops with a high sugar content
>>>>cannot be used for fuel, because of the tax incentives is only for corn.
>>>
>>> This is still stupid however. Personally I live in the Western New York
>>> fruit belt. Back in the 70s when gas went up (and I was a wee
>>> impressionable young'un) I looked into distilling corn alcohol and
>>> decided that apple jack was a much simpler way to go. All those bruised
>>> apples that possibly get made into cider, or more likely get made into
>>> hog food or compost, could yield a fine bit of white lightning with just
>>> a bit of yeast and some heat. :-)
>>>
>>> LG
>>> --
>>>
>>
>> The fruit growers turn over sized and blemished fruit in drinking
>> alcohol. They actual get more for it than the fruit.
> We have a local man who manages a fruit farm while his wife runs a winery.
> He says he'll be harvesting ______, have surplus or damaged fruits, and
> call home to say "Honey, tonight you're making ______ wine."
> Works if you have enough of an outlet for it...
> LG
> --
> "Keep it simple. If it takes a genius to understand it, it will never
> work."
> - Clarence Leonard “Kelly” Johnson
The fruit growers in Hood River built their own distillery, so all the
farmers send their fruit they are unable to sell there. Helps all of them.
The new problem they have now is fruit from South America which is hurting
the fruit growers both in Washington and Oregon.
Richard W.
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