Posted by Lord Gow333, Dirk Benedict's n on May 30, 2009, 10:10 pm
> 21:42:38 -0400, Lord Gow333, Dirk Benedict's newest fan!,
> lordgow@yahoo.com
> wrote:
>>
>>> 2009
>>> 21:12:56 -0400, Lord Gow333, Dirk Benedict's newest fan!,
>>> lordgow@yahoo.com
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Call me crazy.
>>>>
>>>> LG (also prefers corn stoves over ethanol)
>>>
>>> You're crazy! With the price of corn these days,
>>> it's cheaper to burn oil, not to mention wood pellets
>>> or depending on locale, cherry pits.
>>
>> IF the corn stove people's numbers are right (yeah, I know...) corn
>> should
>> still be more economical.
> Hmmm... maybe it's the difference between living at
> the edge of the cornbelt as you apparently do, vs.
> northern NH as I did.
I'm in Western NY, more dairy belt than corn (and we have an ethanol plant
to compete with). I assume their numbers are based on the current market
price which indeed would likely be lower than the delivered price in NH.
>> Regardless, my point here is that it still makes more sense (to me
>> anyway)
>> to burn the corn as is rather than go thru all the processing for ethanol
>> and then burn it anyway. Then take all the heating oil saved and run it
>> in
>> diesel vehicles.
> No argument here. I planted a few hundred soybean
> plants to try those in the pellet stove. They burn
> great mixed with wood pellets. Oh, and drizzling your
> old motor oil over the pellets is another way to burn
> it cleanly and turn "waste" into useful energy.
Cool (or hot, as it were)! Personally I use used motor oil for lighting my
woodstove. I love those ads about not dumping it down the sewer. They're
saying "Save the planet" and I'm thinking "Stop wasting the Oil!"
>> As for me I burn wood because I have it, but if I had to buy fuel I'd
>> probably be playing corn and wood pellets off of one another.
> Corn wasn't even close to being in the running for us.
> I'd certainly have tried some of the wood bricks if they
> were available. The only place within 50 miles that
> carried them was sold out when we called, and doubted
> they'd get any more for that season.
I think it was Farm Show magazine that just had an article on wood brick
machines. I hadn't even heard of them before. I just skimmed the article but
they had a picture of a machine about five foot square with wood bricks
coming up out of two chutes as they were formed.
Okay, looked again. No website (?!?!?) but they are looking for dealers.
Business option for you? You can also write for a list of dealers. If you
want their address let me know.
>> BTW, ear corn is even cheaper than shelled corn, and burns like all hell
>> in
>> a regular wood stove. :-)
> I dried a few bushels of sweetcorn to that end also.
> Didn't burn it alone though, just tossed a few ears at
> a time on the logs.
I had to use a wood fire to get it going, but then just started shovelling
in the corn by itself. It burned way too hot and fast for my indoor stove,
but with a regulated draft outdoor stove or mixed with wood it would
probably work fine. This was another Farm Show idea and I think the guy in
that article had an Aqua-Therm stove (round black boiler looking thing?).
LG (Farm Show fan)
--
"The United States is like a giant boiler. When the fire is finally lighted
under it, there is no limit to the power it can generate." - Winston
Churchill
Posted by William Wixon on May 30, 2009, 11:20 pm
> I think it was Farm Show magazine that just had an article on wood brick
> machines. I hadn't even heard of them before. I just skimmed the article
> but they had a picture of a machine about five foot square with wood
> bricks coming up out of two chutes as they were formed.
> Okay, looked again. No website (?!?!?) but they are looking for dealers.
> Business option for you? You can also write for a list of dealers. If you
> want their address let me know.
never heard of wood bricks before. google image search reminded me of the
compressed coal cakes i saw in berlin in '86. like this...
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/NnPIAgMHuYONJMbuvJH2bA
b.w.
Posted by Frank on May 26, 2009, 7:20 am
News wrote:
> I wonder if this can be done at home......eventually....
>
> A LIVERPOOL professor is sending a buzz around the world after he turned
> chip fat oil into biofuel - using a microwave.
>
> John Moores University professor Ahmed Al-Shamma is leading the world in
> pioneering new microwave technology which could help cut the world's CO²
> emissions.
> The scientist has been collecting old oil from chip shops, kebab houses
> and restaurants and using it to power his car.
>
> He is now confident that, by 2015, the people of Merseyside could be
> driving in cars powered by biofuel.
>
> The British Government and European community are so impressed with the
> work coming out of the small lab in Liverpool that they have given
> millions of pounds in funding.
>
> Prof Al-Shamma, head of RF and Microwave technology in the engineering
> research institute, said: "Everyone has heard of biofuel - it's not new,
> but using microwave technology is new. It brings all the benefits of
> sustainable fuel but without the negatives, the waste byproducts.
>
> And using microwave technology means one source can be used for multiple
> applications.
>
> "I have no doubt that, if the Government adapts a zero carbon approach,
> the people of Merseyside will be driving around in cars fuelled by
> biofuel."
>
> Prof Al-Shamma's team, which has drawn experts from across the globe,
> have found using microwaves so efficient, they are already testing the
> mileage they can get out of the car.
>
> So far, test runs on an X reg (10 years old) VW car have shown dramatic
> results which could lower the cost of fuel per litre to a mere 20p.
> Explaining the background to the project, Prof Al-Shamma said:
> "Traditional biofuel mixes crops, methanol and a catalyst for between
> four to eight hours - you end up with biofuel and a waste product,
> glycerin.
>
> "But there are huge negatives; the hunt for crops has meant many Third
> World countries have been paid more to grow biofuel crops than regular
> eating crops.
> "This has led to huge food shortages.
>
> "Also, the solvent used is very expensive and the process takes a long
> time.
> "You end up with the biofuel but also have tonnes of glycerin. There's
> only so much soap that the world needs from glycerin, so the rest ends
> up in waste sites." He added: "This process is different; the raw
> material is everywhere, think of all the fast food outlets and restaurants.
>
> "At the moment, people have to pay to get rid of this and it ends up in
> waste sites or contaminating sewerage; this way, there could never be
> enough waste oil.
> "The solvent used is on a three to one ratio, reducing it by 10 fold, it
> requires 30 times less catalyst and the process takes a maximum of 15
> minutes.
>
> "One litre of oil makes one litre of biofuel - like for like - with less
> glycerin, which we then use to make an additive to skim off the biofuel
> and start the recycling process."
> Nowhere else in the world is using this technology and his work has led
> to Prof Al-Shamma addressing European leaders in the EU Parliament. He
> added: "I think this will be the future because the big oil industry
> players are investing in biofuel."
>
> And Prof Al-Shamma's microwave technology doesn't only stop at vegetable
> oil. The university has been given £580,000 to turn grass into LPG
> (Liquid Petroleum Gas).
> The university is hoping to take polluted, infertile grass and weeds
> from brownfield sites and break down the sugar to create bio-ethanol.
>
>
http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-news/regional-news/2009/05/25/a-liverpool-university-professor-s-chip-fat-fuel-leads-push-for-cleaner-cars-92534-23704319/
>
>
Nothing new here. I've heard Willie Nelson's bus exhaust smells like a
restaurant from the used cooking oil he burns.
Posted by z on May 26, 2009, 10:52 am
> News wrote:
>> I wonder if this can be done at home......eventually....
>>
>> A LIVERPOOL professor is sending a buzz around the world after he
>> turned chip fat oil into biofuel - using a microwave.
>>
>> John Moores University professor Ahmed Al-Shamma is leading the world
>> in pioneering new microwave technology which could help cut the
>> world's CO² emissions.
>> The scientist has been collecting old oil from chip shops, kebab
>> houses and restaurants and using it to power his car.
>>
>> He is now confident that, by 2015, the people of Merseyside could be
>> driving in cars powered by biofuel.
>>
>> The British Government and European community are so impressed with
>> the work coming out of the small lab in Liverpool that they have
>> given millions of pounds in funding.
>>
>> Prof Al-Shamma, head of RF and Microwave technology in the
>> engineering research institute, said: "Everyone has heard of biofuel
>> - it's not new, but using microwave technology is new. It brings all
>> the benefits of sustainable fuel but without the negatives, the waste
>> byproducts.
>>
>> And using microwave technology means one source can be used for
>> multiple applications.
>>
>> "I have no doubt that, if the Government adapts a zero carbon
>> approach, the people of Merseyside will be driving around in cars
>> fuelled by biofuel."
>>
>> Prof Al-Shamma's team, which has drawn experts from across the globe,
>> have found using microwaves so efficient, they are already testing
>> the mileage they can get out of the car.
>>
>> So far, test runs on an X reg (10 years old) VW car have shown
>> dramatic results which could lower the cost of fuel per litre to a
>> mere 20p. Explaining the background to the project, Prof Al-Shamma
>> said: "Traditional biofuel mixes crops, methanol and a catalyst for
>> between four to eight hours - you end up with biofuel and a waste
>> product, glycerin.
>>
>> "But there are huge negatives; the hunt for crops has meant many
>> Third World countries have been paid more to grow biofuel crops than
>> regular eating crops.
>> "This has led to huge food shortages.
>>
>> "Also, the solvent used is very expensive and the process takes a
>> long time.
>> "You end up with the biofuel but also have tonnes of glycerin.
>> There's only so much soap that the world needs from glycerin, so the
>> rest ends up in waste sites." He added: "This process is different;
>> the raw material is everywhere, think of all the fast food outlets
>> and restaurants.
>>
>> "At the moment, people have to pay to get rid of this and it ends up
>> in waste sites or contaminating sewerage; this way, there could never
>> be enough waste oil.
>> "The solvent used is on a three to one ratio, reducing it by 10 fold,
>> it requires 30 times less catalyst and the process takes a maximum of
>> 15 minutes.
>>
>> "One litre of oil makes one litre of biofuel - like for like - with
>> less glycerin, which we then use to make an additive to skim off the
>> biofuel and start the recycling process."
>> Nowhere else in the world is using this technology and his work has
>> led to Prof Al-Shamma addressing European leaders in the EU
>> Parliament. He added: "I think this will be the future because the
>> big oil industry players are investing in biofuel."
>>
>> And Prof Al-Shamma's microwave technology doesn't only stop at
>> vegetable oil. The university has been given £580,000 to turn grass
>> into LPG (Liquid Petroleum Gas).
>> The university is hoping to take polluted, infertile grass and weeds
>> from brownfield sites and break down the sugar to create bio-ethanol.
>>
>> http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-news/regional-news/2009/
>> 05/25/a-liverpool-university-professor-s-chip-fat-fuel-leads-push-for-
>> cleaner-cars-92534-23704319/
>>
>>
> Nothing new here. I've heard Willie Nelson's bus exhaust smells like
> a restaurant from the used cooking oil he burns.
>
one time woody harlesons hemp powered bus got stuck at the KOA near here.
He had barrels of fuel in the bus, but didn't have a bung puller. Pretty
funny they came around the local gas station looking for some kind of
tool to get at the fuel. My buddy who runs the station got him back on
the road.
Posted by News on May 26, 2009, 11:20 am
> Nothing new here. I've heard Willie Nelson's bus exhaust smells like a
> restaurant from the used cooking oil he burns.
It is how they are processing it, and able to process large scale bio-fuels
that is different.
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> lordgow@yahoo.com
> wrote:
>>
>>> 2009
>>> 21:12:56 -0400, Lord Gow333, Dirk Benedict's newest fan!,
>>> lordgow@yahoo.com
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Call me crazy.
>>>>
>>>> LG (also prefers corn stoves over ethanol)
>>>
>>> You're crazy! With the price of corn these days,
>>> it's cheaper to burn oil, not to mention wood pellets
>>> or depending on locale, cherry pits.
>>
>> IF the corn stove people's numbers are right (yeah, I know...) corn
>> should
>> still be more economical.
> Hmmm... maybe it's the difference between living at
> the edge of the cornbelt as you apparently do, vs.
> northern NH as I did.