Posted by Brad Guth on March 7, 2010, 1:18 am
> > How so? What fuel do you expect will be cheaper than NG?
> > Vaughn
> >Mook's green hydrogen is supposed to become dirt cheap.
> It takes energy to make hydrogen, and then you still have to transport it.
> Since hydrogen has a low energy density, transportation turns into a real
> problem. In short, I don't expect to ever see cheap hydrogen.
> So who is Mook?
> Vaughn
William speaks loudly enough for himself. Use Google Groups 'search"
and you can't possibly miss him. (he's also on the web and in fuzzy
video format to boot)
btw; what's wrong with Bloom energy at $.25/kwhr, as long as it's
reliable and relatively squeaky clean? Aren't you middle-class and
set for life at $00,000/year or better?
~ BG
Posted by Bruce in alaska on March 3, 2010, 7:18 am
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> >
> >
> > > Pity so many of the _tech_ news reports on the things specify that
> > > they'll operate on pretty much any hydrocarbon - propane, biodiesel,
> > > whatever. Kinda shoots all that NG math in the ass...
> >
> > How so? What fuel do you expect will be cheaper than NG?
> >
> > Vaughn
>
> Mook's green hydrogen is supposed to become dirt cheap.
>
> What's a volume of hydrogen gas that'll deliver a therm (100,000 btu),
> and what¹s the Bloom efficiency when run on a therm of hydrogen? (370
> cf or 10.5 m3 at 1.1 bar = ?? kwhr)
>
> Of course H2 could be supplied at 2 bar (+14.7 psi), thus providing
> <540 btu/cf, roughly half if what methane(CH4) provides within the
> residence.
>
> Hydrogen gas distribution mains at <1500 psi = 27000 btu/cf.
>
> ~ BG
I wonder who this Mook Guy is... but Hydrogen in Gaseous Form will NEVER
be viable in a Transport type Pipeline as Fuel... Not near Dense
enough... and way to Volatile.....
Now 35 Years ago one of my Partners came up with a viable way to produce
and transport Hydrogen as a Transportation Fuel... It only REQUIRES one
Break-Thru in the Technology of TODAYS World... You need TWO 2000
MegaWatt Fusion Power Plants. You site these out away from the
population areas, like in the desert. The first one generates power that
is used to electrolyze the Hydrogen, and you dump the Oxygen to
atmosphere, so that when you Oxidize the Hydrogen it is available for
use. The Second unit generates Power for the population, and to Liquify
the Hydrogen, used to Cool the SuperConductors used to transport the
Power AND Liquid Hydrogen from the Generation Point to the Population
Centers. If you have a Fault in the Distribution System, it is REALLY
easy to spot, you just look for the "SMOKING HOLE" in the Ground where
the Fault WAS..... My partner is Brilliant, and a PHD in EE... IQ
higher than 160... We are still waiting for Fusion to be invented.....
Long Wait.....
--
Bruce in alaska
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Posted by vaughn on March 3, 2010, 11:53 am
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>You need TWO 2000 MegaWatt Fusion Power Plants. You site these out away from
>the
>population areas, like in the desert.
Well if fusion turns out to be as safe as they claim, then they will not need to
be sited in the desert. Of course, it would need to be sited near some massive
heat sink. We could also hake hydrogen with fission energy, but it would be
terribly expensive.
Vaughn
Posted by Brad Guth on March 7, 2010, 2:33 am
> > In article
> >You need TWO 2000 MegaWatt Fusion Power Plants. You site these out away from
> >the
> >population areas, like in the desert.
> Well if fusion turns out to be as safe as they claim, then they will not need to
> be sited in the desert. Of course, it would need to be sited near some massive
> heat sink. We could also hake hydrogen with fission energy, but it would be
> terribly expensive.
> Vaughn
Your scary infomercial on behalf of protecting Big Energy is noted.
~ BG
Posted by vaughn on March 7, 2010, 1:16 pm
>Your scary infomercial on behalf of protecting Big Energy is noted.
Your conspiracy delusions are noted.
Now do you have something to say about homepower is has this discussion devolved
into some type of a personal political soapbox for you?
Vaughn
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> > Vaughn
> >Mook's green hydrogen is supposed to become dirt cheap.
> It takes energy to make hydrogen, and then you still have to transport it.
> Since hydrogen has a low energy density, transportation turns into a real
> problem. In short, I don't expect to ever see cheap hydrogen.
> So who is Mook?
> Vaughn