Posted by Tony Wesley on April 6, 2007, 3:31 am
> Well Tony, I don't see where your experiment demonstrates that CO2
> causes heat to be retained.
None are so blind as those who will not see.
The mixture with the higher CO2 concentration (Baking soda and
vinegar) had the highest temperature, demonstrating the increased heat
retention. The mixture with the lowest CO2 concentration (Soda lime
absorbing CO2) had the lowest.
> This is the criterion specified by
> Broughton. If they had turned out the lights and the temperature didnt
> fall to the initial temperature, the claim would be proven.
You incorrectly restate his claim.
You change your position to avoid admitting that you were wrong. You
seem to be interested in being right rather than in finding out what
is correct.
Without a source of heat (the lights), the temperature will eventually
fall to ambient.
> I mean,
> the atmosphere heats and cools every 12 hours right? CO2 has a higher
> specific heat than O2 or N2, but if it heated up 20 degrees in the
> day, but only cooled off 19 degrees at night, it would be hotter than
> heck after a few weeks, but we arent seeing that are we?
No, we're not. And no one is predicting an increase of a degree in a
day. A fraction of a degree per year, if sustained, has a huge
effect.
> Broughton
> says CO2 causes heat to be retained. I dont believe it till I see it
> or its so obvious I have to believe it.
I've given you three demonstrations. You can chose to believe it or
not. Your belief system seems to be unrelated to the physical world.
Posted by BobG on April 6, 2007, 12:04 pm
> > Well Tony, I don't see where your experiment demonstrates that CO2
> > causes heat to be retained.
> None are so blind as those who will not see.
> The mixture with the higher CO2 concentration (Baking soda and
> vinegar) had the highest temperature, demonstrating the increased heat
> retention. The mixture with the lowest CO2 concentration (Soda lime
> absorbing CO2) had the lowest.
> > This is the criterion specified by
> > Broughton. If they had turned out the lights and the temperature didnt
> > fall to the initial temperature, the claim would be proven.
> You incorrectly restate his claim.
No, I quoted it verbatim from his message. The one with the nice
language.
> You change your position to avoid admitting that you were wrong. You
> seem to be interested in being right rather than in finding out what
> is correct.
No, my position has been that CO2 does not cause heat to be retained.
We seem to be arguing over the definition of the word 'retain'. You
showed me an experiment where CO2 gets hotter while heat is applied.
Now remove the source of heat to see if heat is retained. This has not
been shown. My belief is it will not retain the heat.
> Without a source of heat (the lights), the temperature will eventually
> fall to ambient.
> > I mean,
> > the atmosphere heats and cools every 12 hours right? CO2 has a higher
> > specific heat than O2 or N2, but if it heated up 20 degrees in the
> > day, but only cooled off 19 degrees at night, it would be hotter than
> > heck after a few weeks, but we arent seeing that are we?
> No, we're not. And no one is predicting an increase of a degree in a
> day. A fraction of a degree per year, if sustained, has a huge
> effect.
That 'what if' example was ridiculous. We certainly dont see a degree
rise per day. What we see is 20 degree rise during the day, and about
the same degree fall at night, day after day, year after year.
> > Broughton
> > says CO2 causes heat to be retained. I dont believe it till I see it
> > or its so obvious I have to believe it.
> I've given you three demonstrations. You can chose to believe it or
> not. Your belief system seems to be unrelated to the physical world.
I think you are getting desperate. I asked Broughton to cite an
experiment that showed that CO2 causes heat to be retained. You
volunteered with an experiment that demonstrated CO2 causes heat to be
retained temporarily. For the climate to warm up slowly over years,
something has to hold the heat. Since CO2 cools right down when the
sun goes down, it isn't CO2 thats holding it. I'll go back and look at
the messages again to see your other two experiments... cant recall
right now
Posted by Tony Wesley on April 6, 2007, 10:28 pm
> I think you are getting desperate.
More like bored. You have strong opinions and little knowledge. And
you seem unwilling to learn.
> I asked Broughton to cite an
> experiment that showed that CO2 causes heat to be retained. You
> volunteered with an experiment that demonstrated CO2 causes heat to be
> retained temporarily.
You remind me of my children when they were small. When they want to
win a game, they try to change the rules.
Recall that you asked
"Can you show a reference to any experiment that will show that CO2
causes heat to be retained in the atmosphere? If you cant find a
citation, can you pose an experiment we can consider?"
Both have been done.
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