Posted by Jim Wilkins on October 19, 2014, 10:49 am
> On 10/18/14 8:04 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>>> On 10/18/14 8:44 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>>>
>>> The experimental procedures have been adequate only to verify that
>>> if pressure and temperature requirements are met, something
>>> happens
>>> that produces thermal output in excess of the input - and that
>>> this
>>> ?something? appears to be the fusion of a hydrogen atom and a
>>> nickel
>>> atom to produce a copper atom.
>>>
>>
>> Do you realize that blowing hot hydrogen through a brazed copper
>> reactor will spray atomized metallic copper everywhere inside it?
>> Brazing oxidizes the copper and then hot hydrogen reduces the
>> copper
>> oxide to metal dust.
>>
>> The missed clue is that the copper found mixed with the nickel
>> powder
>> has the natural isotopic distribution.
>>
>> You can see the reversible transition to and from oxide for
>> yourself
>> by heating copper with a propane torch. The outer flame turns the
>> copper into dark oxide, the inner part reduces it back to metal.
>
> Quoting the April 6, 2011 NyTeknik article:
>
> The reactor itself, which is loaded with the nickel powder and
> secret catalysts pressurized with hydrogen, has an estimated volume
> of 50 cubic centimeters (3.2 cubic inches). The reactor is made of
> stainless steel.
>
> A copper tube surrounds the steel reactor. The water to be heated
> flows between the steel and the copper. In operation, the
> construction is also surrounded by insulation and a lead shielding
> with a thickness of approximately two centimeters (0.8 inches).
>
> <snippage>
>
> Their analyses showed that the pure powder consists of essentially
> pure nickel, while the used powder contains several other
> substances, mainly 10 percent copper and 11 percent iron.
>
> ?Provided that copper is not one of the additives used as catalyst,
> the copper isotopes 63 and 65 can only have been formed during the
> process. Their presence is therefore a proof that nuclear reactions
> took place in the process,? Kullander said.
>
> --- End of article quote ---
>
> Where did you find a reference to blowing hot hydrogen through a
> brazed copper reactor? Link, please!
>
> There?s a link to the NyTeknik article in my project web page.
>
> --
> Morris Dovey
> http://www.iedu.com/Solar/Electricity/
No, I don't know exactly what Rossi has done. Do you?
Posted by Jim Wilkins on October 19, 2014, 12:22 pm
> On 10/18/14 8:04 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>>> On 10/18/14 8:44 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>>>
>>> The experimental procedures have been adequate only to verify that
>>> if pressure and temperature requirements are met, something
>>> happens
>>> that produces thermal output in excess of the input - and that
>>> this
>>> ?something? appears to be the fusion of a hydrogen atom and a
>>> nickel
>>> atom to produce a copper atom.
>>>
>>
>> Do you realize that blowing hot hydrogen through a brazed copper
>> reactor will spray atomized metallic copper everywhere inside it?
>> Brazing oxidizes the copper and then hot hydrogen reduces the
>> copper
>> oxide to metal dust.
>>
>> The missed clue is that the copper found mixed with the nickel
>> powder
>> has the natural isotopic distribution.
>>
>> You can see the reversible transition to and from oxide for
>> yourself
>> by heating copper with a propane torch. The outer flame turns the
>> copper into dark oxide, the inner part reduces it back to metal.
>
> Quoting the April 6, 2011 NyTeknik article:
>
> The reactor itself, which is loaded with the nickel powder and
> secret catalysts pressurized with hydrogen, has an estimated volume
> of 50 cubic centimeters (3.2 cubic inches). The reactor is made of
> stainless steel.
>
> A copper tube surrounds the steel reactor. The water to be heated
> flows between the steel and the copper. In operation, the
> construction is also surrounded by insulation and a lead shielding
> with a thickness of approximately two centimeters (0.8 inches).
>
> <snippage>
>
> Their analyses showed that the pure powder consists of essentially
> pure nickel, while the used powder contains several other
> substances, mainly 10 percent copper and 11 percent iron.
>
> ?Provided that copper is not one of the additives used as catalyst,
> the copper isotopes 63 and 65 can only have been formed during the
> process. Their presence is therefore a proof that nuclear reactions
> took place in the process,? Kullander said.
>
> --- End of article quote ---
>
> Where did you find a reference to blowing hot hydrogen through a
> brazed copper reactor? Link, please!
>
> There?s a link to the NyTeknik article in my project web page.
>
> --
> Morris Dovey
> http://www.iedu.com/Solar/Electricity/
(after making coffee)
Before you accept transmutation as the source of the copper you have
to scrupulously rule out any other source, which could be any copper,
brass or trace of brazing alloy anywhere within the system, since the
hydrogen can redistribute it.
I was a research chemist working with mostly glassware apparatus. A
chemical engineer would know much more about metal reactor vessels.
-jsw
Posted by Morris Dovey on October 19, 2014, 3:32 pm
On 10/19/14 7:22 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> (after making coffee)
> Before you accept transmutation as the source of the copper you have
> to scrupulously rule out any other source, which could be any copper,
> brass or trace of brazing alloy anywhere within the system, since the
> hydrogen can redistribute it.
>
> I was a research chemist working with mostly glassware apparatus. A
> chemical engineer would know much more about metal reactor vessels.
> -jsw
Thanks for sharing your experience.
amdx, I hope you got something useful out of all this. :-)
I’m spending too much time on usenet, so will go back to monitoring for
news while I do othr things...
--
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http://www.iedu.com/Solar/
Posted by Jim Wilkins on October 19, 2014, 5:40 pm
> On 10/19/14 7:22 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>
>> (after making coffee)
>> Before you accept transmutation as the source of the copper you
>> have
>> to scrupulously rule out any other source, which could be any
>> copper,
>> brass or trace of brazing alloy anywhere within the system, since
>> the
>> hydrogen can redistribute it.
>>
>> I was a research chemist working with mostly glassware apparatus. A
>> chemical engineer would know much more about metal reactor vessels.
>> -jsw
>
> Thanks for sharing your experience.
>
> amdx, I hope you got something useful out of all this. :-)
>
> I?m spending too much time on usenet, so will go back to monitoring
> for news while I do othr things...
>
> --
> Morris Dovey
> http://www.iedu.com/Solar/
>
Since I like to support my claims here is a good demo. The green tint
is a sensitive indicator of copper atoms in the otherwise colorless
hydrogen flame.
http://www.rsc.org/images/reduction_tcm18-188855.pdf
-jsw
Posted by amdx on October 20, 2014, 6:22 pm
On 10/19/2014 10:32 AM, Morris Dovey wrote:
> On 10/19/14 7:22 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>
>> (after making coffee)
>> Before you accept transmutation as the source of the copper you have
>> to scrupulously rule out any other source, which could be any copper,
>> brass or trace of brazing alloy anywhere within the system, since the
>> hydrogen can redistribute it.
>>
>> I was a research chemist working with mostly glassware apparatus. A
>> chemical engineer would know much more about metal reactor vessels.
>> -jsw
>
> Thanks for sharing your experience.
>
> amdx, I hope you got something useful out of all this. :-)
>
> I’m spending too much time on usenet, so will go back to monitoring for
> news while I do other things...
>
Yes, I'm sorry,
Just mentioning LENR can cause the release of excess energy with no
theory to support that energy. You can spend your time building towards
a working model or spend your time trying to convince others it may work.
I see your choice.
Mikek :-)
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>>> On 10/18/14 8:44 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>>>
>>> The experimental procedures have been adequate only to verify that
>>> if pressure and temperature requirements are met, something
>>> happens
>>> that produces thermal output in excess of the input - and that
>>> this
>>> ?something? appears to be the fusion of a hydrogen atom and a
>>> nickel
>>> atom to produce a copper atom.
>>>
>>
>> Do you realize that blowing hot hydrogen through a brazed copper
>> reactor will spray atomized metallic copper everywhere inside it?
>> Brazing oxidizes the copper and then hot hydrogen reduces the
>> copper
>> oxide to metal dust.
>>
>> The missed clue is that the copper found mixed with the nickel
>> powder
>> has the natural isotopic distribution.
>>
>> You can see the reversible transition to and from oxide for
>> yourself
>> by heating copper with a propane torch. The outer flame turns the
>> copper into dark oxide, the inner part reduces it back to metal.
>
> Quoting the April 6, 2011 NyTeknik article:
>
> The reactor itself, which is loaded with the nickel powder and
> secret catalysts pressurized with hydrogen, has an estimated volume
> of 50 cubic centimeters (3.2 cubic inches). The reactor is made of
> stainless steel.
>
> A copper tube surrounds the steel reactor. The water to be heated
> flows between the steel and the copper. In operation, the
> construction is also surrounded by insulation and a lead shielding
> with a thickness of approximately two centimeters (0.8 inches).
>
> <snippage>
>
> Their analyses showed that the pure powder consists of essentially
> pure nickel, while the used powder contains several other
> substances, mainly 10 percent copper and 11 percent iron.
>
> ?Provided that copper is not one of the additives used as catalyst,
> the copper isotopes 63 and 65 can only have been formed during the
> process. Their presence is therefore a proof that nuclear reactions
> took place in the process,? Kullander said.
>
> --- End of article quote ---
>
> Where did you find a reference to blowing hot hydrogen through a
> brazed copper reactor? Link, please!
>
> There?s a link to the NyTeknik article in my project web page.
>
> --
> Morris Dovey
> http://www.iedu.com/Solar/Electricity/