Posted by steamer on February 6, 2010, 5:34 pm
>The important numbers are the high and low heats of combustion, the
>cost of the raw materials and the investment to manufacture and store
>the fuel.
(SNIP)
--Just as he says. FWIW I once did a 'fractional distillation' of
kerosene and graphed the results. It was just a little amateur science: no
expert me. I was trying to find out why my steam boiler's kerosene burners
coked up so quickly and I found that the stuff starts to turn to carbon
at very low temperatures.
--
"Steamboat Ed" Haas : To help the helpless
Hacking the Trailing Edge! : To comfort the fearful...
www.nmpproducts.com
---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---
Posted by harry on February 10, 2010, 8:23 pm
> Lately, I've trying to compare fuels chemically; I didn't take
> chemistry in high school back in the Stone Age so this effort has
> involved a lot of ramp-up work. So, I put all the data I've collected
> into a
spread-sheet:http://i825.photobucket.com/albums/zz177/Curbie_Pics/FuelSS.jpg
> ...and tried to calculate something I was familiar with, the Air Fuel
> Ratio, as I remember, for gasoline it is 14.7:1 and methanol 6.5:1, my
> sheet is close but not correct, 15.33:1 and 6.67 respectively.
> I'm hoping someone could find some time to look at the sheet and show
> me where I goofed-up, it is fine if you're too busy, but I thought it
> couldn't hurt to ask.
> Post or email if you can help.
> Thanks,
> Curbie
The thing you are looking for is the "CALORIFIC VALUE"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calorific_value#Heating_value
I imagine you measure it in Btu/lb over there, We have gone metric
here in the UK.
Posted by Curbie on February 11, 2010, 8:58 am
Harry,
Well, after a couple days of chasing my tail (nothing new), I think
I've finally tracked down my trouble, the numbers I remembered for
gasoline (14.7:1) and methanol (6.5:1) are Stoichiometric ratios and
my spread-sheet calculates air/fuel ratios and there mot exactly the
same thing.
It seems Stoichiometric ratio considers air as just nitrogen and
oxygen where I was also considering the argon and CO2 present in air,
also I read somewhere on-line that the Stoichiometric ratio for
gasoline (petrol) is based on a different chemical mixture.
Anyway, it seems I was remembering Stoichiometric ratios and
calculating air/fuel ratios, but I'm pretty confident now that the
calculations are proper for my purposes.
Thanks for the link though, densities and specific gravities are next,
but at some point I'll go after heat values.
I'm old enough to have learned the imperial system in school and have
no clue what they teach these days, but I do use wikipedia a lot, so
over the last year or so I've been writing a series of conversion
routines for my spread-sheets so I have less and less trouble
understanding the results of metric equations.
Curbie
Posted by harry on February 11, 2010, 7:49 pm
> Harry,
> Well, after a couple days of chasing my tail (nothing new), I think
> I've finally tracked down my trouble, the numbers I remembered for
> gasoline (14.7:1) and methanol (6.5:1) are Stoichiometric ratios and
> my spread-sheet calculates air/fuel ratios and there mot exactly the
> same thing.
> It seems Stoichiometric ratio considers air as just nitrogen and
> oxygen where I was also considering the argon and CO2 present in air,
> also I read somewhere on-line that the Stoichiometric ratio for
> gasoline (petrol) is based on a different chemical mixture.
> Anyway, it seems I was remembering Stoichiometric ratios and
> calculating air/fuel ratios, but I'm pretty confident now that the
> calculations are proper for my purposes.
> Thanks for the link though, densities and specific gravities are next,
> but at some point I'll go after heat values.
> I'm old enough to have learned the imperial system in school and have
> no clue what they teach these days, but I do use wikipedia a lot, so
> over the last year or so I've been writing a series of conversion
> routines for my spread-sheets so I have less and less trouble
> understanding the results of metric equations.
> Curbie
Well I was unfortunate enough to have been to school when we were
converting from one to the other.
You also need to look at excess air.
It gets a mention here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air-fuel_ratio
There are lots of other factors too, mainly to do with corrosion and
pollution control of emissions.
Posted by Curbie on February 11, 2010, 9:18 pm
Harry,
>Well I was unfortunate enough to have been to school when we were
>converting from one to the other.
When I was a kid I didn't know what I was going to learn before I
learned it, let along any other options. It is what it is, I just
accept it and deal with it.
Curbie
>cost of the raw materials and the investment to manufacture and store
>the fuel.