Posted by Narrff on April 13, 2005, 3:13 pm
Hello all,
I've had the idea for a few years to use a diesel engine to drive
one or more DC generators for charging a battery bank (as an auxiliary
DC source), running on biodiesel.
I have since expanded the idea to include using the heat generated
from the engine to heat my home when necessary. Up until today, I
figured I would look into plumbing my existing radiator system into the
engine's cooling system.
However, as I was looking in the back of my newly-arrived PopSci
today, I came across a link to a company that sells radiant heating
supplies. That started the gears working ...
Unfortunately, I have little to no grasp of thermodynamics, and as
such, have no idea exactly how much waste heat would be generated by
the diesel engine, and utilized for heat cogen. I have no specific
engine size in mind, as the entire concept resides solely 'on paper' at
the moment. About the only thing that I *do* know is that the main
function of the engine will be for the generation of electricity, with
the heating being a secondary consideration.
Although there certainly will be sidereal issues pertaining to the
electricity generating aspect of the idea, I would like to limit this
particular discussion to the heating aspect, if at all possible.
That being said, would anyone have example figures of BTU/hr versus
engine displacement? My idea is to use a solenoid valve to divert the
hot fluid between radiant PEX tubing and an outside radiator, according
to the desired temperature. The solenoid valve will be controlled by a
PIC and/or PC, in a hysteresis loop scenario.
In a perfect world, I would also use any excess/unused heat to help
in the biodiesel conversion process, although I doubt that there would
be any excess heat in most cases.
I welcome any comments on the topic.
Thank you,
Jeremiah D. Seitz
http://www.omegatechare.net
PS - I will soon be posting a PDF of my ideal HP setup to my web page,
and would welcome any criticism or pointers.
Posted by Steve Spence on April 13, 2005, 3:36 pm
You need to think of your engine as a heat generator, with electric as a
nice side product. Radiant floor heating uses low grade heat, perfect
for a coolant heat exchanger engine powered system.
Steve Spence
Dir., Green Trust
http://www.green-trust.org
Contributing Editor
http://www.off-grid.net
http://www.rebelwolf.com/essn.html
Narrff wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I've had the idea for a few years to use a diesel engine to drive
> one or more DC generators for charging a battery bank (as an auxiliary
> DC source), running on biodiesel.
>
> I have since expanded the idea to include using the heat generated
> from the engine to heat my home when necessary. Up until today, I
> figured I would look into plumbing my existing radiator system into the
> engine's cooling system.
>
> However, as I was looking in the back of my newly-arrived PopSci
> today, I came across a link to a company that sells radiant heating
> supplies. That started the gears working ...
>
> Unfortunately, I have little to no grasp of thermodynamics, and as
> such, have no idea exactly how much waste heat would be generated by
> the diesel engine, and utilized for heat cogen. I have no specific
> engine size in mind, as the entire concept resides solely 'on paper' at
> the moment. About the only thing that I *do* know is that the main
> function of the engine will be for the generation of electricity, with
> the heating being a secondary consideration.
>
> Although there certainly will be sidereal issues pertaining to the
> electricity generating aspect of the idea, I would like to limit this
> particular discussion to the heating aspect, if at all possible.
>
> That being said, would anyone have example figures of BTU/hr versus
> engine displacement? My idea is to use a solenoid valve to divert the
> hot fluid between radiant PEX tubing and an outside radiator, according
> to the desired temperature. The solenoid valve will be controlled by a
> PIC and/or PC, in a hysteresis loop scenario.
>
> In a perfect world, I would also use any excess/unused heat to help
> in the biodiesel conversion process, although I doubt that there would
> be any excess heat in most cases.
>
> I welcome any comments on the topic.
>
> Thank you,
> Jeremiah D. Seitz
> http://www.omegatechare.net
>
> PS - I will soon be posting a PDF of my ideal HP setup to my web page,
> and would welcome any criticism or pointers.
>
Posted by Ignoramus8965 on April 13, 2005, 4:29 pm
> You need to think of your engine as a heat generator, with electric as a
> nice side product. Radiant floor heating uses low grade heat, perfect
> for a coolant heat exchanger engine powered system.
Note though, that most heat escapes as hot exhaust gas.
i
Posted by Steve Spence on April 13, 2005, 4:37 pm
Which is a good thing for us, as the generator is in the greenhouse, and
that hot pipe helps provide heat for the plants in cold weather.
Steve Spence
Dir., Green Trust
http://www.green-trust.org
Contributing Editor
http://www.off-grid.net
http://www.rebelwolf.com/essn.html
Ignoramus8965 wrote:
>
>>You need to think of your engine as a heat generator, with electric as a
>>nice side product. Radiant floor heating uses low grade heat, perfect
>>for a coolant heat exchanger engine powered system.
>
>
> Note though, that most heat escapes as hot exhaust gas.
>
> i
Posted by Ignoramus8965 on April 13, 2005, 6:37 pm
> Which is a good thing for us, as the generator is in the greenhouse, and
> that hot pipe helps provide heat for the plants in cold weather.
Do you exhaust gas right into the greenhouse? If so, I am curious, is
there any issue of the exhaust contaminating plants in the greenhouse?
Also, how can you enter the greenhouse without being exposed to CO?
And if you pipe the exhaust through some heat exchangers, is your
backpressure ok?
i
> Steve Spence
> Dir., Green Trust
> http://www.green-trust.org
> Contributing Editor
> http://www.off-grid.net
> http://www.rebelwolf.com/essn.html
> Ignoramus8965 wrote:
wrote:
>>
>>>You need to think of your engine as a heat generator, with electric as a
>>>nice side product. Radiant floor heating uses low grade heat, perfect
>>>for a coolant heat exchanger engine powered system.
>>
>>
>> Note though, that most heat escapes as hot exhaust gas.
>>
>> i
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>
> I've had the idea for a few years to use a diesel engine to drive
> one or more DC generators for charging a battery bank (as an auxiliary
> DC source), running on biodiesel.
>
> I have since expanded the idea to include using the heat generated
> from the engine to heat my home when necessary. Up until today, I
> figured I would look into plumbing my existing radiator system into the
> engine's cooling system.
>
> However, as I was looking in the back of my newly-arrived PopSci
> today, I came across a link to a company that sells radiant heating
> supplies. That started the gears working ...
>
> Unfortunately, I have little to no grasp of thermodynamics, and as
> such, have no idea exactly how much waste heat would be generated by
> the diesel engine, and utilized for heat cogen. I have no specific
> engine size in mind, as the entire concept resides solely 'on paper' at
> the moment. About the only thing that I *do* know is that the main
> function of the engine will be for the generation of electricity, with
> the heating being a secondary consideration.
>
> Although there certainly will be sidereal issues pertaining to the
> electricity generating aspect of the idea, I would like to limit this
> particular discussion to the heating aspect, if at all possible.
>
> That being said, would anyone have example figures of BTU/hr versus
> engine displacement? My idea is to use a solenoid valve to divert the
> hot fluid between radiant PEX tubing and an outside radiator, according
> to the desired temperature. The solenoid valve will be controlled by a
> PIC and/or PC, in a hysteresis loop scenario.
>
> In a perfect world, I would also use any excess/unused heat to help
> in the biodiesel conversion process, although I doubt that there would
> be any excess heat in most cases.
>
> I welcome any comments on the topic.
>
> Thank you,
> Jeremiah D. Seitz
> http://www.omegatechare.net
>
> PS - I will soon be posting a PDF of my ideal HP setup to my web page,
> and would welcome any criticism or pointers.
>