Posted by Neon John on November 10, 2007, 9:18 pm
>I am planning to install some new solar panels on a steep mountain slope.
>The line will have to run about 250 to 300 linear feet to get to my house,
>inverter, batteries, etc.
>Is this feasible? How do I figure what type/size of line I will need for
>this (and the approximate cost)?
First, you must decide what voltage drop you're willing to tolerate. Once you
determine that and you know the current output of your panels, you can figure the
maximum tolerable resistance using ohm's law.
Next find a wire resistance table - they're all over the net - that lists ohms
per
foot or ohms per 100 ft for various wire gauges. Using the distance involved
times 2
(two wires), determine what gauge wire you must use to achieve your maximum
tolerable
resistance goal determined in the previous paragraph. Then to accommodate
resistance
in connectors, fuse(s), switches, etc. that might be in the circuit, go to the
next
larger wire size.
As to cost, you can look at places like http://www.waytekwire.com or any of the
big
box stores' websites. Given the current price of copper, it's gonna be painful!
Clean #1 copper scrap is currently over $3/lb and is predicted to hit $3.60 by
Christmas. It might be a good time to take a look at aluminum cable. It'll be
physically much larger, as aluminum's conductivity is significantly less than
copper.
Aluminum is sufficiently cheaper than copper to make the larger cable less
costly.
Probably.
John
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Posted by Reader on November 10, 2007, 11:51 pm
Good information--thank you. Also interesting about aluminum. Size isn't an
issue for me (that is, I won't care if the cable is thicker vs. thinner, as
no one will be seeing it other than me). So if resulting quality (amount of
power) will be the same with larger aluminum vs. smaller copper, I will
consider it.
>>I am planning to install some new solar panels on a steep mountain slope.
>>The line will have to run about 250 to 300 linear feet to get to my house,
>>inverter, batteries, etc.
>>
>>Is this feasible? How do I figure what type/size of line I will need for
>>this (and the approximate cost)?
>>
> First, you must decide what voltage drop you're willing to tolerate. Once
> you
> determine that and you know the current output of your panels, you can
> figure the
> maximum tolerable resistance using ohm's law.
> Next find a wire resistance table - they're all over the net - that lists
> ohms per
> foot or ohms per 100 ft for various wire gauges. Using the distance
> involved times 2
> (two wires), determine what gauge wire you must use to achieve your
> maximum tolerable
> resistance goal determined in the previous paragraph. Then to accommodate
> resistance
> in connectors, fuse(s), switches, etc. that might be in the circuit, go to
> the next
> larger wire size.
> As to cost, you can look at places like http://www.waytekwire.com or any
> of the big
> box stores' websites. Given the current price of copper, it's gonna be
> painful!
> Clean #1 copper scrap is currently over $3/lb and is predicted to hit
> $3.60 by
> Christmas. It might be a good time to take a look at aluminum cable.
> It'll be
> physically much larger, as aluminum's conductivity is significantly less
> than copper.
> Aluminum is sufficiently cheaper than copper to make the larger cable less
> costly.
> Probably.
> John
> --
> John De Armond
> See my website for my current email address
> http://www.neon-john.com
> http://www.johndearmond.com <-- best little blog on the net!
> Tellico Plains, Occupied TN
> I love cats ... they taste just like chicken.
>
Posted by Bruce in Alaska on November 11, 2007, 1:56 pm
> I am planning to install some new solar panels on a steep mountain slope.
> The line will have to run about 250 to 300 linear feet to get to my house,
> inverter, batteries, etc.
>
> Is this feasible? How do I figure what type/size of line I will need for
> this (and the approximate cost)?
>
>
Didn't we just have this same discussion, about a Remote Wind System,
a few months ago...... maybe Goggle needs to become your friend.....
Since you will need a Charge Controller, in your system, anyway, why not
use an MPPT Controller and raise the System Voltage at the Array to
something like 48Vdc, and then have the Controller do the conversion
down to your Battery Charging Voltage. MPPT Controller cost a bit more,
but since your going to invest in Inverter/Battery/Solar, you might as
well get the best BANG for the BUCK.
By increasing the Array Volatge, you mitigate the I2R losses in the
300Ft of wire for same power, transfered. More BANG for the BUCK.....
and Watt Transfered. OutBack makes really nice MPPT Controller, as do
some others in the industry.
Bruce in alaska
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Posted by Reader on November 11, 2007, 2:23 pm
This is to be an add-in to an existing system, so no, I won't need a new
charge controller, batteries, and so on, so no, putting equipment up on the
mountain (other than the panels) is not an option.
>> I am planning to install some new solar panels on a steep mountain slope.
>> The line will have to run about 250 to 300 linear feet to get to my
>> house,
>> inverter, batteries, etc.
>>
>> Is this feasible? How do I figure what type/size of line I will need for
>> this (and the approximate cost)?
>>
>>
> Didn't we just have this same discussion, about a Remote Wind System,
> a few months ago...... maybe Goggle needs to become your friend.....
> Since you will need a Charge Controller, in your system, anyway, why not
> use an MPPT Controller and raise the System Voltage at the Array to
> something like 48Vdc, and then have the Controller do the conversion
> down to your Battery Charging Voltage. MPPT Controller cost a bit more,
> but since your going to invest in Inverter/Battery/Solar, you might as
> well get the best BANG for the BUCK.
> By increasing the Array Volatge, you mitigate the I2R losses in the
> 300Ft of wire for same power, transfered. More BANG for the BUCK.....
> and Watt Transfered. OutBack makes really nice MPPT Controller, as do
> some others in the industry.
> Bruce in alaska
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> add <path> before @
Posted by BobG on November 11, 2007, 4:27 pm
Tell us the brand and model of charge controller and the number of
panels, and we'll recommend a configuration that we think is optimal.
I guess if 3 people give the same suggestion, you can go with it.
>The line will have to run about 250 to 300 linear feet to get to my house,
>inverter, batteries, etc.
>Is this feasible? How do I figure what type/size of line I will need for
>this (and the approximate cost)?