Posted by harry k on April 3, 2008, 10:51 am
> I realize it seems inefficient to convert from circular motion at the top of
> the windmill, to "up and down", back to circular motion on the ground, but
> this is what I have to work with. Unless I redesign the entire old style
> windmill, this would be the simplest for me to convert back to rotary motion
> on the ground. Just curious if anyone has done this before. The idea of a
> Crankshaft on the bottom, with a flywheel to maintain the momentum of the
> "up and down" motion was an idea of mine as well.
> Thanks everyone for their help.
> On Apr 1, 5:52 pm, nos...@nospam.com (Paul Ciszek) wrote:
> > >Hey There:
> > >I have a farm windmill that produces up/down motion, about 4 inches of
> > >travel. Any idea how to convert this action into rotary motion, so as to
> > >run a generator or alternator?
> > The windmill must be converting rotary motion to up-and-down motion
> > in the first place. I'm not expert on wind systems, but wouldn't it
> > make sense to take out the crankshaft or whatever that does the
> > conversion and mount your generator up on the windmill? You may need
> > a gearbox, though.
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> Hmmm....let's see. Windmill starts with rotary motion, converted to
> upsy/downsy, coverted back to rotary...Nope, I don't see anything odd
> about that concept ;)
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Just 'funning' you. I spotted several problems with trying to put the
'works' at the top beginning with some sort of slip-ring to pick off
the generated juice.
Harry K
Posted by bealiba on April 3, 2008, 12:43 am
This kind of thinking is the result of listening to fools.
It won't work, if it did every farmer in the world would be energy
independent.
But think of this, a generator is nothing more than a device to pass a
coil through a magnetic field. So you mount all your magnets on a rod
parallel to the moving rod of the windmill which has the coils mounted
on it. The trick is to get the spacing right so that the coils pass
the magnets sequentially to give a continuous current. And you get to
pump water as well.
But you want to be quick, because, as soon as beemerwanker reads this
he will try to take out a patent.
Of course if you really want to get into generating big time you could
put a micro hydro turbine in the water pipe as well, I mean, as long
as you are moving water, it may as well do some work as well.
Reality, I first saw "your" concept more than twenty years ago. It was
such a success that there are, Oh Dear, none in use today.
> Hey There:
> I have a farm windmill that produces up/down motion, about 4 inches of
> travel. Any idea how to convert this action into rotary motion, so as to
> run a generator or alternator?
> Thanks.
> Glenn
Posted by Mauried on April 3, 2008, 1:05 am
On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 21:43:00 -0700 (PDT), bealiba@gmail.com wrote:
>This kind of thinking is the result of listening to fools.
>It won't work, if it did every farmer in the world would be energy
>independent.
>But think of this, a generator is nothing more than a device to pass a
>coil through a magnetic field. So you mount all your magnets on a rod
>parallel to the moving rod of the windmill which has the coils mounted
>on it. The trick is to get the spacing right so that the coils pass
>the magnets sequentially to give a continuous current. And you get to
>pump water as well.
>But you want to be quick, because, as soon as beemerwanker reads this
>he will try to take out a patent.
>Of course if you really want to get into generating big time you could
>put a micro hydro turbine in the water pipe as well, I mean, as long
>as you are moving water, it may as well do some work as well.
>Reality, I first saw "your" concept more than twenty years ago. It was
>such a success that there are, Oh Dear, none in use today.
>> Hey There:
>>
>> I have a farm windmill that produces up/down motion, about 4 inches of
>> travel. Any idea how to convert this action into rotary motion, so as to
>> run a generator or alternator?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Glenn
A couple of obvious questions
How much power do you want to or expect to generate.
Do you have the required gearbox to increase the shaft RPM to drive an
alternator.
Do you have a suitable alternator.
Reason for asking is that windmills to generate power are specially
designed just for this purpose.
They use a specific blade arrangement (2 or 3 blades max,and a very
carfeully controlled blade pitch) with a very efficient alternator
designed to produce useful output at low RPM.
A farm type windmill for pumping water will make a poor generator.
.
Posted by Balanced View on April 3, 2008, 11:52 am
Mauried wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 21:43:00 -0700 (PDT), bealiba@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> This kind of thinking is the result of listening to fools.
>>
>> It won't work, if it did every farmer in the world would be energy
>> independent.
>>
>> But think of this, a generator is nothing more than a device to pass a
>> coil through a magnetic field. So you mount all your magnets on a rod
>> parallel to the moving rod of the windmill which has the coils mounted
>> on it. The trick is to get the spacing right so that the coils pass
>> the magnets sequentially to give a continuous current. And you get to
>> pump water as well.
>>
>> But you want to be quick, because, as soon as beemerwanker reads this
>> he will try to take out a patent.
>>
>> Of course if you really want to get into generating big time you could
>> put a micro hydro turbine in the water pipe as well, I mean, as long
>> as you are moving water, it may as well do some work as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> Reality, I first saw "your" concept more than twenty years ago. It was
>> such a success that there are, Oh Dear, none in use today.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hey There:
>>>
>>> I have a farm windmill that produces up/down motion, about 4 inches of
>>> travel. Any idea how to convert this action into rotary motion, so as to
>>> run a generator or alternator?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Glenn
>>>
> A couple of obvious questions
> How much power do you want to or expect to generate.
> Do you have the required gearbox to increase the shaft RPM to drive an
> alternator.
> Do you have a suitable alternator.
> Reason for asking is that windmills to generate power are specially
> designed just for this purpose.
> They use a specific blade arrangement (2 or 3 blades max,and a very
> carfeully controlled blade pitch) with a very efficient alternator
> designed to produce useful output at low RPM.
> A farm type windmill for pumping water will make a poor generator.
> .
>
I often hear this and think it false, the water pumpers spin slow, but
have quite a bit of torque and
spin in very little wind. I can't see there being a problem in gearing
one up. If the thing is going to
spin away, why not make some power?
Posted by Anthony Matonak on April 3, 2008, 1:23 pm
Balanced View wrote:
> Mauried wrote:
...
>> A farm type windmill for pumping water will make a poor generator.
>
> I often hear this and think it false, the water pumpers spin slow, but
> have quite a bit of torque and
> spin in very little wind. I can't see there being a problem in gearing
> one up. If the thing is going to
> spin away, why not make some power?
The problem with gearing, as I understand it, is that there is some
power loss in the process and you have a lot more moving parts. The
more moving parts you have, the more chances for something to fail.
Water pumping wind turbines might not be the best for generating
electricity but they'll still work.
Anthony
> the windmill, to "up and down", back to circular motion on the ground, but
> this is what I have to work with. Unless I redesign the entire old style
> windmill, this would be the simplest for me to convert back to rotary motion
> on the ground. Just curious if anyone has done this before. The idea of a
> Crankshaft on the bottom, with a flywheel to maintain the momentum of the
> "up and down" motion was an idea of mine as well.
> Thanks everyone for their help.
> On Apr 1, 5:52 pm, nos...@nospam.com (Paul Ciszek) wrote:
> > >Hey There:
> > >I have a farm windmill that produces up/down motion, about 4 inches of
> > >travel. Any idea how to convert this action into rotary motion, so as to
> > >run a generator or alternator?
> > The windmill must be converting rotary motion to up-and-down motion
> > in the first place. I'm not expert on wind systems, but wouldn't it
> > make sense to take out the crankshaft or whatever that does the
> > conversion and mount your generator up on the windmill? You may need
> > a gearbox, though.
> > --
> > Please reply to: | President Bush is promoting Peace and Democracy
> > pciszek at panix dot com | in the Middle East by selling Weapons to the
> > Autoreply is disabled | King of Saudi Arabia.
> Hmmm....let's see. Windmill starts with rotary motion, converted to
> upsy/downsy, coverted back to rotary...Nope, I don't see anything odd
> about that concept ;)
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