Posted by m II on April 12, 2011, 4:00 pm
Please be informed that the Josepi clown has been forging my username
for a few weeks now. His provider is doing nothing to stop the forgeries.
Check the headers when in doubt. It's times like these I wonder about
the maturity levels of some, no doubt very ill, people.
mike
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Forgery reported to NNTP solani.org
Please read the headers to establish my credentials.
I have always used x-privat.org at a news provider for this ID.
The NNTP solani.org and all the garbage attached is an easy indicator of the
forger
mike
Posted by Bruce Richmond on April 9, 2011, 4:40 pm
> "trad...@optonline.net" wrote:
> > In other words, if it's 100F at 3PM, what would happen?
> > Would everyone with solar have their AC on and be either taking
> > power from the grid or at least not giving it back? Or because
> > of being paid 80C a kwh to generate electricity, will people be
> > putting in large systems and leaving their AC off?
> Under the terms of the Ontario Microfit program, you (the home owner)
> with a (typical) 3kw to 6kw solar array, will be paid 80 cents /kwh for
> 20 years. The going rate for buying electricity in this market at the
> residential level is (when you factor in all the various transmission
> and delivery costs) about 15 cents / kwh.
> You are paid 80 cents / kwh for *any* electricity leaving your array (a
> billing meter is installed right after your invertors). It doesn't
> matter if your own home (AC unit, etc) will suck 100% of that solar
> energy with none of it going back into the grid. In fact, it's probable
> that on that hot summer day that your home will still be pulling energy
> from the municipal grid - just not as much because of the contribution
> from your own panels.
> > Now is that the real reason behind what's going on? Don't know,
> > but it's certainly theoretically possible.
> There has been some mention of a PF (power factor) issue when it comes
> to these panels.
> But still - you can't push more electricity onto a network than the load
> is asking for (given that your invertors are functioning correctly I
> guess).
Actually you can and do as I understand it. To pump power into the
grid you supply a slightly higher voltage than what is in the line.
When spread over all the loads on the grid the change in voltage is
next to nothing. If enough inputs are made by others the voltage will
rise, and it is allowed to so long as it stays within a certain
range. If it is going to go too high it is up to the utility to
reduce the input at sources they control.
Posted by Han on April 9, 2011, 6:18 pm
>> But still - you can't push more electricity onto a network than the
>> load is asking for (given that your invertors are functioning
>> correctly I guess).
>
> Actually you can and do as I understand it. To pump power into the
> grid you supply a slightly higher voltage than what is in the line.
> When spread over all the loads on the grid the change in voltage is
> next to nothing. If enough inputs are made by others the voltage will
> rise, and it is allowed to so long as it stays within a certain
> range. If it is going to go too high it is up to the utility to
> reduce the input at sources they control.
I have no idea how it works exactly, but here in North Jersey PSE&G has
been putting up solar panels on their (I think) utility poles. Each one
is maximum 200 Watts at 110V, feeding directly into the grid the poles
carry. This is a link + picture in another town not too far away (1 line):
<http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2011/02/pseg_installing_solar_panels_
o.html>
or:
<http://tinyurl.com/3dvgy7r>
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Best regards
Han
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Posted by Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds on April 9, 2011, 10:26 pm
wrote:
> I have no idea how it works exactly, but here in North Jersey PSE&G has
> been putting up solar panels on their (I think) utility poles. Each one
> is maximum 200 Watts at 110V, feeding directly into the grid the poles
> carry. This is a link + picture in another town not too far away (1 line):
> <http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2011/02/pseg_installing_solar_panels_
> o.html>
> or:
> <http://tinyurl.com/3dvgy7r>
I'm willing to take a hit on this, but those panels don't look big enough to
produce 200 Watts
Posted by David Nebenzahl on April 10, 2011, 7:54 am
On 4/4/2011 6:16 AM Home Guy spake thus:
> You are paid 80 cents / kwh for *any* electricity leaving your array (a
> billing meter is installed right after your invertors). It doesn't
> matter if your own home (AC unit, etc) will suck 100% of that solar
> energy with none of it going back into the grid.
and
> But still - you can't push more electricity onto a network than the load
> is asking for (given that your invertors are functioning correctly I
> guess).
Are you sure about that first statement? Pardon me if I misunderstand
what you wrote, but don't you only get paid for the *net current*
leaving your meter? If you're generating 5KW but "sucking" 6KW into your
AC, etc., then you have a 1KW net draw, so you're not gonna get paid
anything, correct?
That second statement is correct: you can't "push" electrons into the
grid. But it doesn't matter *how* your inverters are working; it's a
basic law of physics.
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> > In other words, if it's 100F at 3PM, what would happen?
> > Would everyone with solar have their AC on and be either taking
> > power from the grid or at least not giving it back? Or because
> > of being paid 80C a kwh to generate electricity, will people be
> > putting in large systems and leaving their AC off?
> Under the terms of the Ontario Microfit program, you (the home owner)
> with a (typical) 3kw to 6kw solar array, will be paid 80 cents /kwh for
> 20 years. The going rate for buying electricity in this market at the
> residential level is (when you factor in all the various transmission
> and delivery costs) about 15 cents / kwh.
> You are paid 80 cents / kwh for *any* electricity leaving your array (a
> billing meter is installed right after your invertors). It doesn't
> matter if your own home (AC unit, etc) will suck 100% of that solar
> energy with none of it going back into the grid. In fact, it's probable
> that on that hot summer day that your home will still be pulling energy
> from the municipal grid - just not as much because of the contribution
> from your own panels.
> > Now is that the real reason behind what's going on? Don't know,
> > but it's certainly theoretically possible.
> There has been some mention of a PF (power factor) issue when it comes
> to these panels.
> But still - you can't push more electricity onto a network than the load
> is asking for (given that your invertors are functioning correctly I
> guess).