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Posted by Balanced View on October 25, 2007, 7:26 am
Jim wrote:
>
>> It must be nice to be made of money, each and every one of those repairs
>> for my car, a 98 Saturn would cost in excess of $500.00 each
>> To replace the clutch cost $900.00- $1200.00, if that is not a costly
>> repair I don't know what is.
>>
> Depends on the design of the vehicle; some clutches even =I= could
> replace.....
>
Yeah just about anyone could change a clutch an a rear wheel drive, but
a clutch on a front wheel drive on
a modern car isn't easy and is time consuming. Besides, in the context
of this discussion was maintenance
costs of a hybrid's parts, which I pointed out are all covered by a very
extensive warranty. The rest about
doing your own work is moot, as the average person doesn't do anything
but put gas and oil in their car
Posted by Ron Purvis on October 25, 2007, 11:54 pm
> Balanced View wrote:
>> Eeyore wrote:
>> > Balanced View wrote:
>> >> Eeyore wrote:
>> >>> Balanced View wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> "According to Toyota, the life of the Prius battery pack is
>> >>>> determined
>> >>>> more by mileage than by time, and it has been
>> >>>> tested to 180,000 miles. Supporting this are first- and
>> >>>> second-generation Prius taxis in Canada that have reportedly
>> >>>> traveled more than 200,000 miles without suffering any battery
>> >>>> problems".
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>> If that is typical performance then it's very impressive.
>> >>>
>> >> What? Not impressive? I've been driving since 1970 and tend to keep my
>> >> cars longer than most* . I have never owned
>> >> a car with more than 160,000 miles on it that didn't need some costly
>> >> repair.
>> >>
>> >> * Current vehicle is a 1998, 9 years old.
>> >
>> > My last car got to 180,000 mi without needing any serious repair and my
>> > current Saab's most
>> > costly 'repair' to date ( ~ 160,000 mi ) was a new exhaust system.
>>
>>
>> So in 160,000 miles you have not replaced a clutch, brakes, rotors, CV
>> joints ? I find that very strange. If you do all your
>> own wrenching and are obsessive about it you can make a vehicle last far
>> longer than average, eg I have a 1966 Ducati
>> that still runs fine. Does that prove that the majority of Italian
>> motorcycles last over 40 years? No, it just proves I spend way
>> more time than the average person would on maintenance.
> None of the above items count as a costly repair. They are simply routine
> maintenance. As for
> clutches, I've only had to have one replaced in my entire driving history,
> although I've had a
> couple of clutch CABLES replaced.
> Graham
Replacing a clutch is not routine maintenance as far as I am concerned. I
have never replaced on a vehicle and I spent a lot of years driving before I
had to finally hang it up. I also don't call replacing CV joints as routine
maintenance. Go to
http://www.autoworld.com/automaintenance/preventive-maintenance.asp to see
what is generally considered routine maintenance.
Posted by Eeyore on October 26, 2007, 3:59 am
Ron Purvis wrote:
> > Balanced View wrote:
> >> Eeyore wrote:
> >> > Balanced View wrote:
> >> >> Eeyore wrote:
> >> >>> Balanced View wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> "According to Toyota, the life of the Prius battery pack is
> >> >>>> determined
> >> >>>> more by mileage than by time, and it has been
> >> >>>> tested to 180,000 miles. Supporting this are first- and
> >> >>>> second-generation Prius taxis in Canada that have reportedly
> >> >>>> traveled more than 200,000 miles without suffering any battery
> >> >>>> problems".
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>> If that is typical performance then it's very impressive.
> >> >>>
> >> >> What? Not impressive? I've been driving since 1970 and tend to keep my
> >> >> cars longer than most* . I have never owned
> >> >> a car with more than 160,000 miles on it that didn't need some costly
> >> >> repair.
> >> >>
> >> >> * Current vehicle is a 1998, 9 years old.
> >> >
> >> > My last car got to 180,000 mi without needing any serious repair and my
> >> > current Saab's most
> >> > costly 'repair' to date ( ~ 160,000 mi ) was a new exhaust system.
> >>
> >>
> >> So in 160,000 miles you have not replaced a clutch, brakes, rotors, CV
> >> joints ? I find that very strange. If you do all your
> >> own wrenching and are obsessive about it you can make a vehicle last far
> >> longer than average, eg I have a 1966 Ducati
> >> that still runs fine. Does that prove that the majority of Italian
> >> motorcycles last over 40 years? No, it just proves I spend way
> >> more time than the average person would on maintenance.
> >
> > None of the above items count as a costly repair. They are simply routine
> > maintenance. As for
> > clutches, I've only had to have one replaced in my entire driving history,
> > although I've had a
> > couple of clutch CABLES replaced.
> Replacing a clutch is not routine maintenance as far as I am concerned.
I didn't say it was. I haven't had to replace one in ~ 31 years. And I do hang
on to cars for a long time.
> I have never replaced on a vehicle and I spent a lot of years driving before I
> had to finally hang it up. I also don't call replacing CV joints as routine
> maintenance. Go to
> http://www.autoworld.com/automaintenance/preventive-maintenance.asp to see
> what is generally considered routine maintenance.
I have to disagree with you about CV joints. Replacing them isn't 'routine'
maintenance in the same way as oil, filters and plugs but I would't expect them
to last the entire lifetime of the car any more than I would every single
suspension or steering component. Unless maybe if you always drive on perfectly
surfaced roads.
Graham
Posted by clare at snyder.on.ca on October 26, 2007, 4:39 pm On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 08:59:35 +0100, Eeyore
>Ron Purvis wrote:
>> > Balanced View wrote:
>> >> Eeyore wrote:
>> >> > Balanced View wrote:
>> >> >> Eeyore wrote:
>> >> >>> Balanced View wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> "According to Toyota, the life of the Prius battery pack is
>> >> >>>> determined
>> >> >>>> more by mileage than by time, and it has been
>> >> >>>> tested to 180,000 miles. Supporting this are first- and
>> >> >>>> second-generation Prius taxis in Canada that have reportedly
>> >> >>>> traveled more than 200,000 miles without suffering any battery
>> >> >>>> problems".
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>> If that is typical performance then it's very impressive.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >> What? Not impressive? I've been driving since 1970 and tend to keep my
>> >> >> cars longer than most* . I have never owned
>> >> >> a car with more than 160,000 miles on it that didn't need some costly
>> >> >> repair.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> * Current vehicle is a 1998, 9 years old.
>> >> >
>> >> > My last car got to 180,000 mi without needing any serious repair and my
>> >> > current Saab's most
>> >> > costly 'repair' to date ( ~ 160,000 mi ) was a new exhaust system.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> So in 160,000 miles you have not replaced a clutch, brakes, rotors, CV
>> >> joints ? I find that very strange. If you do all your
>> >> own wrenching and are obsessive about it you can make a vehicle last far
>> >> longer than average, eg I have a 1966 Ducati
>> >> that still runs fine. Does that prove that the majority of Italian
>> >> motorcycles last over 40 years? No, it just proves I spend way
>> >> more time than the average person would on maintenance.
>> >
>> > None of the above items count as a costly repair. They are simply routine
>> > maintenance. As for
>> > clutches, I've only had to have one replaced in my entire driving history,
>> > although I've had a
>> > couple of clutch CABLES replaced.
>>
>>
>> Replacing a clutch is not routine maintenance as far as I am concerned.
>I didn't say it was. I haven't had to replace one in ~ 31 years. And I do hang
>on to cars for a long time.
>> I have never replaced on a vehicle and I spent a lot of years driving before I
>>
>> had to finally hang it up. I also don't call replacing CV joints as routine
>> maintenance. Go to
>> http://www.autoworld.com/automaintenance/preventive-maintenance.asp to see
>> what is generally considered routine maintenance.
>I have to disagree with you about CV joints. Replacing them isn't 'routine'
>maintenance in the same way as oil, filters and plugs but I would't expect them
>to last the entire lifetime of the car any more than I would every single
>suspension or steering component. Unless maybe if you always drive on perfectly
>surfaced roads.
>Graham
I know of some cars that have gone over 500,000km on the original
joints. I know others that routinely need replacement at under
100,000km.
That said, they are NOT a "routine maintenance" part. I would call
them a "consumable" part. -subject to wear and abuse. Very dependent
on vehicle design as well as usage.
The boots often need replacement on a frequent basis - and left undone
the joints go very quickly. Early front drive chryslers ate boots at a
phenominal rate.
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Posted by clare at snyder.on.ca on October 24, 2007, 6:46 pm wrote:
>Eeyore wrote:
>> Balanced View wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Eeyore wrote:
>>>
>>>> Balanced View wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "According to Toyota, the life of the Prius battery pack is determined
>>>>> more by mileage than by time, and it has been
>>>>> tested to 180,000 miles. Supporting this are first- and
>>>>> second-generation Prius taxis in Canada that have reportedly
>>>>> traveled more than 200,000 miles without suffering any battery problems".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> If that is typical performance then it's very impressive.
>>>>
>>> What? Not impressive? I've been driving since 1970 and tend to keep my
>>> cars longer than most* . I have never owned
>>> a car with more than 160,000 miles on it that didn't need some costly
>>> repair.
>>>
>>> * Current vehicle is a 1998, 9 years old.
>>>
>>
>> My last car got to 180,000 mi without needing any serious repair and my
current Saab's most
>> costly 'repair' to date ( ~ 160,000 mi ) was a new exhaust system.
>>
>> Graham
>>
>>
>So in 160,000 miles you have not replaced a clutch, brakes, rotors, CV
>joints ? I find that very strange. If you do all your
>own wrenching and are obsessive about it you can make a vehicle last far
>longer than average, eg I have a 1966 Ducati
>that still runs fine. Does that prove that the majority of Italian
>motorcycles last over 40 years? No, it just proves I spend way
>more time than the average person would on maintenance.
Friends Honda Civic (1992) just turned 500,000km. Original clutch,
axles, cvs, rad etc. Only new alternator bearings, distributor, one
set of rear brakes, 2 sets of front rotors und numerous sets of pads.
Engine has never been open, and the AC still works.
Rusty little critter though. It gets replaced in about 2 weeks.
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>> It must be nice to be made of money, each and every one of those repairs
>> for my car, a 98 Saturn would cost in excess of $500.00 each
>> To replace the clutch cost $900.00- $1200.00, if that is not a costly
>> repair I don't know what is.
>>
> Depends on the design of the vehicle; some clutches even =I= could
> replace.....
>