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Posted by Curbie on April 15, 2009, 5:54 am

Ok, I'm a dummy for a computer guy, I have my system set to
automatically block any web-server's attempt to launch a client-side
executable, dug through your HTML and downloaded the large video from
the source. 40mb. 10 SECOND .MOV! Converts to a 3.5 mb. .MPG.

If your email addy is good, I'll email it to you if you want.

If the audience for your web-site is just your friends, no problem,
but if your web-site's audience is the "general public" asking them to
permit a  client-side executable from a un-known server will cause a
lot of people to just go away.

I'd just put link to a small .MPG & .MOV, that'll cover UNIX. MAC, &
WIN users.


Posted by Morris Dovey on April 15, 2009, 6:43 am
Curbie wrote:

Please do. So far, I've been posting what's been sent to me and leaving
it up to the viewer's browser to figure out which plug-in to use.

The e-mail address is good  - and the keyword "solar" anywhere in the
subject should cause everything except virus-checking to be bypassed.

AFAIK, my host doesn't provide any video display software, and yes -
people should be selective about where their executables come from.
Originally I had code that specified Apple S/W, but I discovered that I
could get by with specifying only the video file and image size - and so
leave all choices up to the page visitor (or their sysadmin).

That comes a bit too close to putting other peoples' work into the
public domain - something I really want to avoid. I'd like to make the
files viewable, but not separately from a copyrighted context.

In my personal priority scheme, it's more important to protect the
contributors' IP than to make life easy for every non-contributor. :-/

Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA

Posted by Mike on April 15, 2009, 1:07 pm

Is copyright in this context really a concern?, anyone who wants to
download the videos and convert them to a more usable and portable
format can do it in minutes.

Surely uploading to youtube moves any bandwidth and conversion
headache elsewhere.  After trying to view your page those still
running W2000 with the latest version of Quicktime that works on that
OS get booted out to an Apple page advising them to upgrade to a
version of quicktime that doesn't run on anything but XP or Vista, it
can be ignored and the videos played but it's a PITA.

After many years I've come to the conclusion that Quicktime is awful
software when used on PC's, every single computer I've used it on ends
up with a problem sooner or later.  Along with Real Player it's right
at the bottom of my 'must install list'  


Posted by Morris Dovey on April 15, 2009, 3:53 pm
 Mike wrote:

They can - and that doesn't bother me much. What does bother me is when
they then post the materials to a blog/forum without proper attribution.

I'm aware (because of correspondence with the contributors) that the
attribution is important and can have a significant impact on their
futures - and I feel obliged to protect /that/.

Total agreement on MS and QT headaches. I could probably save a lot of
hassle all around by killing the web page and telling people to go put
whatever they have on youtube.

If the contributors were lightweight tinkerers, I'd do exactly that. As
it turns out, they're not - so I won't.

These kids (I can call 'em that - their /combined/ ages are less than
mine) don't seem to have a great deal of interest in providing
amusement; they're out to solve what they (and I) consider to be serious
problems in the world. Those who're put off by mere inconvenience just
aren't the target audience.

I was about to expand on your "awful", but remembered that there may be
young readers lurking - I agree.

Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA

Posted by Curbie on April 15, 2009, 1:31 pm


You got mail.

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