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Posted by Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds on June 11, 2010, 3:14 am

Of course, co-operatives, such as Blue Diamond and Sunkist are exempt

Posted by z on June 11, 2010, 3:09 am

Yeah you guys have me thinking.  I was only involved in the price
negotation for the dungie opener in the periphery.  Mostly just what
Captain Tyler was bitching and yelling about, but it seems to me that the
buyers all came together and presented a price, and the five captains
countered with another price.  Then a bunch of people yammered and gave
data on the sample pots and the projected numbers and so on.

it seems to me that 3-4 giant buyers were colluding together by
presenting a single price, and the captains were representing the
hundreds of small boats countering with another.  Eventually the captains
had to agree to a price rather than let the arguing go on because they
knew that the guys they represent couldn't hold out much longer due to
bills that needed paid.  While the big buyers seemed fine with waiting
longer, knowing that enough boats would be forced break early (go
fishing) and that would trounce the whole process.  This price, once set,
was the price paid for every crab up and down the coast for all buyers
and by all the boats for at least 3 states.  Then the price changes
naturally 2-3 weeks into the season, but the seasoning opening price sets
the initial buy (when the pots are the fullest and the best crab are
being brought in).  

like this year we pulled 72k lbs in the first week or so

which is crazy good for a 34 foot boat -- we had to deck load nearly each
trip.  So that initial price can make or break a season for sure.

Next year I'm going to get the Capt to put me in as an observer and maybe
i'll learn more about what's going on.  The whole thing seemed fishy to
me (pun intended)



wow this thread certainly felt some drift huh? no matters it's good

Posted by Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds on June 12, 2010, 3:57 am


Personally, while I can think of any number of ways to change what is happening,
in such a manner to benefit the fishermen, the best observation I can make that
would undoubtedly be the most cost effective, would be to approach any and all
Universities that are convenient and find one or more professors in one or more
areas (business, law, economics, even food) and see if they are in any way
interested in studying the problem and suggesting tactics to use or paths to
take...they might even assign the problem as a class project or give you a
couple of interns.

Couldn't hurt, might help.

But then again there are so many ways to counter the buyers (just out of
curiosity,  are the buyers just American or do they include European and Asian?)


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Posted by Jim Wilkins on June 12, 2010, 1:55 pm

On Jun 11, 11:57pm, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-
bug...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Sometimes that helps or sets talented students on a career path, but
often it demonstrates why they chose to be professors reciting old
theory rather than engineers solving new problems. So far their
suggestions have been quietly shelved before I was asked to make one
work. I did the lab work for one when I was a chemist, but the
chemistry prof had industry experience and a broader understanding of
multiple technical disciplines.

Vietnam forced my career change to electronics.

MITRE was the final outcome of handing a difficult technical problem
to MIT professors:
That's the polite version; they couldn't handle it. Lincoln Labs was
the second try, MITRE the oned that succeeded.


Posted by Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds on June 10, 2010, 11:48 pm


Darwins "Evolution of the Species" Also applies to business. Shame that the
Captains will be the last to find that out.

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