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Posted by user on June 7, 2009, 12:50 pm
Lord Gow333, Dirk Benedict's newest fan! wrote:

I live in Canada and have never seen a four wheel drive snowplow, other
than 1/2-3/4 tons. The road plows are all standard rwd dump trucks.

Posted by vaughn on June 7, 2009, 12:57 pm

I disagree.  Given a driver with the proper skills, the 4X4 is probably
better.. Otherwise, the 4X4 will get you just as stuck; perhaps more stuck.
The trouble is, too few drivers bother to learn the skills they need.  A few
years back, we got trapped in Denver by a 100-year blizzard (we are Florida
folks).  By far, most of the vehicles we saw stuck & abandaned were 4X4
SUVs.  We concluded that folks just assume that they have nothing to worry
about because they are driving a 4X4, and shut off their brains!

BTW; we got along just fine with our cheap rental FWD compact car, we just
drove conservatively.


Posted by William Wixon on June 7, 2009, 3:16 am

i think of my tire chains as "poor man's 4WD".

me too.  my sister bought a 4WD and kept spinning out on the road.  when i
was shopping for a truck i decided against 4WD and got a 2WD, saved a
thousand bucks, i figured in my lifetime i only needed 4WD like, twice or
three times when i got stuck in snow or mud, i figured i'd save a thousand
bucks by not getting 4WD and buy a really good set of tire chains for the
times i get stuck.  i've used the chains 3 or 4 times so far, have never had
to have myself winched or towed out of a sticky situation.  i think of my
tire chains as "poor man's 4WD".  even without tire chains i'd just shovel
snow into the bed of the pickup, fill it completely full, mound up snow in
the back for traction, worked on 3 or 4 occasions.  oh, and to add, i *do
not* drive around with chains on, only when/if i get stuck.  i love my
chains.  used to go to a hang gliding site, there's a section of the "road"
leading up to the top where water flows across the road and it becomes a
solid sheet of ice in the winter (that slopes towards the downhill side of
the road) , last year i (ill advisedly) drove across that sheet of ice with
my 2WD tire chains.  i made it there and back but on the way back the truck
DID break loose once and started slipping toward the drop off, ugh!  made it
though.  love my chains.


(i mean, isn't the procedure, you're supposed to unlock your 4WD when you
get out onto the highway?  you're not supposed to be driving around in 4WD,
it's only for when/if you get stuck?!  if that's the case then people w/ 4WD
are driving on the highway in 2WD just like me but they're carrying around
this extra mechanism/weight the entire life of the vehicle for the
possibility that .0000000002 percent of the time of the life of the vehicle
they're going to have to power out of ice/snow/mud?!)

Posted by wmbjkREMOVE on June 7, 2009, 3:24 pm
 On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 22:16:57 -0500, "William Wixon"

Only a couple weeks of snow each year at my place, and we generally
just stay home on those days. But the drive up our mountain is about 4
miles of uphill, some of it at 10% with areas of loose rocks which are
like driving on marbles. Most of the miles we put on that road were in
a front-driver. Lots of chattering in the steering wheel on the worst
of the steep parts. For the last year we've used an AWD Rav4. Much
nicer, although it's obviously a luxury rather than a necessity. I
don't have to make a run at the steep sections anymore, and I can
accelerate from a standing start on them without having to feather the
throttle. The vehicle is front drive except when spin is detected,
whenever the 4WD is manually switched on, or anytime when accelerating
off the line. Very slick system, with automatic pseudo
differential-locking. One unexpected benefit is great traction when
entering paved roads that have a slick of loose gravel. Enables
jumping out into shorter openings in traffic.


Posted by user on June 6, 2009, 4:39 pm
 Lord Gow333, Dirk Benedict's newest fan! wrote:

Oh bullshit, any front wheel drive will take you just about anywhere all
winter. I live in the snowbelt in Ontario, Canada, and if there's that
much snow on the road a front wheel drive won't get you through you'd be
an ass to still be on the road.

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