Posted by user on June 8, 2009, 7:19 pm
Eeyore wrote:
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> user@domain.invalid wrote:
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>> Eeyore wrote:
>>> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nice strawman. So we wouldn't be energy independant. I
>>>> havn't researched it, but I suspect the domestic oil could
>>>> reduce our dependance on foreign oil by quite a bit.
>>> The best way to reduce dependence on foreign oil is to be more efficient
>>> and economical in the use of domestic reserves. Smaller cars, better
>>> home and office insulation etc. It's so obvious.
>> Maybe to you and I, but to those with Easter Island Mindsets.....not so
>> much.
>
> So true. How DO you get the message through that 7 litre V8s etc are causing
> the USA to depend on the Arabs ?
>
> Graham
You don't ;~)They are still worshiping Icons.
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Posted by Eeyore on June 9, 2009, 9:39 am
user@domain.invalid wrote:
> Eeyore wrote:
> > user@domain.invalid wrote:
> >> Eeyore wrote:
> >>> Stormin Mormon wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Nice strawman. So we wouldn't be energy independant. I
> >>>> havn't researched it, but I suspect the domestic oil could
> >>>> reduce our dependance on foreign oil by quite a bit.
> >>> The best way to reduce dependence on foreign oil is to be more efficient
> >>> and economical in the use of domestic reserves. Smaller cars, better
> >>> home and office insulation etc. It's so obvious.
> >> Maybe to you and I, but to those with Easter Island Mindsets.....not so
> >> much.
> >
> > So true. How DO you get the message through that 7 litre V8s etc are causing
> > the USA to depend on the Arabs ?
> >
> > Graham
> You don't ;~)They are still worshiping Icons.
I kinda know what you mean but are people in the USA REALLY that dumb ?
I've never had a car with a larger than a 2.0 litre 4 cyl engine ( some turbo'd )
and those were so quick I could almost scare myself. Then again in Europe we tend
to use manual transmissions rather than wasteful 'slushbox' automatics which as a
result makes the whole experience that much more interesting and inefficient.
I just don't 'get it' with the big deal about big engines in the USA. They don't
seem to last any longer than ours in Europe. The last car I drove to the limit
was
suffering from rust and minor electrical faults at about 15 years but the 2.0
engine at 180,000 mi was still fine if a bit noisier than new. And it was still
FAST !
Graham
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Posted by robert bowman on June 9, 2009, 2:16 pm
Eeyore wrote:
> I just don't 'get it' with the big deal about big engines in the USA. They
> don't seem to last any longer than ours in Europe. The last car I drove to
> the limit was suffering from rust and minor electrical faults at about 15
> years but the 2.0 engine at 180,000 mi was still fine if a bit noisier
> than new. And it was still FAST !
It's an American thing. Personally, I grew up in part of the country where
racing was either on very short dirt tracks of the winding country roads.
Handling trumped power and the guys with the 409's and so forth set up for
a quarter mile drag were at a disadvantage. Even today, I'll put money into
the suspension before I'll touch the engine, whether it's a bike or a car.
My current ride is a 1.5L Yaris, which I think is the true heir of the
MiniCooper rather than the official version -- small, cheap, and corners on
rails, all at over 40 mpg unless I'm running over 75 or 80 where it will
drop as low as 36 mpg.
Posted by Day Brown on June 7, 2009, 5:47 pm
Eeyore wrote:
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> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>
>> Nice strawman. So we wouldn't be energy independant. I
>> havn't researched it, but I suspect the domestic oil could
>> reduce our dependance on foreign oil by quite a bit.
>
> The best way to reduce dependence on foreign oil is to be more efficient
> and economical in the use of domestic reserves. Smaller cars, better
> home and office insulation etc. It's so obvious.
Not so obvious is the abandonment of the nuclear family model. Men do
not make enuf money now to support families. Young women make more money
than young men, and are beginning to move into communal housing; I dont
know if they are Lesbian or not, but the per capita cost of living, and
thus the per capita carbon footprint, is way lower.
Sharing the house means the childcare already lives there. Which means a
mom can work just part time to meet her expenses and then have more time
to spend with her own kids. The Mosuo have lived this way forever. women
have sex with whoever they want, but the only men in the house are
mentors. Add broadband and a LAN, and telecommuting eliminates the need
for private vehicles, insurance, and taxes.
I can see where a house mite want its own mechanic to adapt the vehicle
fleet to whatever forms of fuel and energy are cost effective.
Posted by Eeyore on June 7, 2009, 3:29 pm
user@domain.invalid wrote:
> Stormin Mormon wrote:
> > Instead of doing the liberal "live on nothing, and drive a
> > gocart" routine. Lets get rid of the politicians who are
> > preventing us from drilling our own oil. Let the free market
> > rule.
> Sad, sad ,sad that anyone still believes that horse shit. If you drilled
> every reserve the USA has, it would still not be self-sufficient in oil.
> The free market has already ruled and look where we are.....
Doing fine.
Graham
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> user@domain.invalid wrote:
>
>> Eeyore wrote:
>>> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nice strawman. So we wouldn't be energy independant. I
>>>> havn't researched it, but I suspect the domestic oil could
>>>> reduce our dependance on foreign oil by quite a bit.
>>> The best way to reduce dependence on foreign oil is to be more efficient
>>> and economical in the use of domestic reserves. Smaller cars, better
>>> home and office insulation etc. It's so obvious.
>> Maybe to you and I, but to those with Easter Island Mindsets.....not so
>> much.
>
> So true. How DO you get the message through that 7 litre V8s etc are causing
> the USA to depend on the Arabs ?
>
> Graham