Posted by Kai on August 9, 2009, 6:40 am
wrote:
>I admire the old American fathers, they are great and well educated but their
youngsters are terrible.
You are a clueless, retarded bastard that doesn't know anything about
either.
Posted by Archimedes' Lever on August 11, 2009, 11:09 am
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:05:42 -0400, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>wrote:
>>> Don T wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Again power is not measured in AMP, but in WATT you stupid jerks, Give it
>>>> up now suckers.
>>>>
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you know it all answer me this. Why are tools like electric drills and
>>>> even shop vacuums listed as having 6.0 AMP etc. motors?
>>>>
>>>>
http://www.blackanddecker.com/ProductGuide/CategoryOverview.aspx?cPath 96.2050
>>>
>>>
>>> Because it makes better advertising copy than 0.48 horsepower?? :-)
>>>
>>> daestrom
>>
>> => snicker <=
>>
>> Probable, but it makes the statement that "power is never measured in
>>ampere units" quite wrong.
>The 6 amp motor means it draws 6 amps from the mains. It does not mean
>ANYTHING as far as how much power it produces, other than that it
>cannot produce more than 690 watts at 115 volts
You're an idiot. First off, there are ZERO 115 volt circuits here.
Secondly, everything that runs on standard AC that relates to raw power
is declared in Amps.
Look at vacuum cleaners, and the hand drill.
Anything that competes with other makers that runs on a motor, competes
with each other over how fast or how strong or how well it can do the
job.
A dremel tool talks about top rotational speed as that is more important
than shaft torque.
Drills and vacuum cleaners refer to the amperage of the motor.
So, YES it DOES mean EVERYTHING about how much power it has in a world
where the source voltage is known.
Posted by harry on August 11, 2009, 10:20 pm
On Aug 11, 12:09 pm, Archimedes' Lever
> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:05:42 -0400, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
> >wrote:
> >>> Don T wrote:
> >>>> Again power is not measured in AMP, but in WATT you stupid jerks, Give it
> >>>> up now suckers.
> >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>>> If you know it all answer me this. Why are tools like electric drills and
> >>>> even shop vacuums listed as having 6.0 AMP etc. motors?
> >>>>http://www.blackanddecker.com/ProductGuide/CategoryOverview.aspx?cPat ...
> >>> Because it makes better advertising copy than 0.48 horsepower?? :-)
> >>> daestrom
> >> => snicker <=
> >> Probable, but it makes the statement that "power is never measured in
> >>ampere units" quite wrong.
> >The 6 amp motor means it draws 6 amps from the mains. It does not mean
> >ANYTHING as far as how much power it produces, other than that it
> >cannot produce more than 690 watts at 115 volts
> You're an idiot. First off, there are ZERO 115 volt circuits here.
> Secondly, everything that runs on standard AC that relates to raw power
> is declared in Amps.
> Look at vacuum cleaners, and the hand drill.
> Anything that competes with other makers that runs on a motor, competes
> with each other over how fast or how strong or how well it can do the
> job.
> A dremel tool talks about top rotational speed as that is more important
> than shaft torque.
> Drills and vacuum cleaners refer to the amperage of the motor.
> So, YES it DOES mean EVERYTHING about how much power it has in a world
> where the source voltage is known.
You are both wrong.
With AC, Volts x Amps only gives the power with a resistive (heating)
load.
If you have an inductive load this is no longer true. (ie a motor.)
If it was a pure inductor, you could draw as many amps as you liked
and no power would be consumed.
Pure inductors only exist in theory BTW.
If you connect a capacitor across the mains, it will draw current but
no power will be consumed (virtually).
Pure capacitors (as near as dammit) exist.
The pair of you study this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_factor
I don't know where you Yanks get educated. God help America!
Posted by clare on August 12, 2009, 1:51 am
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:20:26 -0700 (PDT), harry
>On Aug 11, 12:09 pm, Archimedes' Lever
>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:05:42 -0400, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>> >wrote:
>>
>> >>> Don T wrote:
>>
>> >>>> Again power is not measured in AMP, but in WATT you stupid jerks, Give it
>> >>>> up now suckers.
>>
>> >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> >>>> If you know it all answer me this. Why are tools like electric drills and
>> >>>> even shop vacuums listed as having 6.0 AMP etc. motors?
>>
>> >>>>http://www.blackanddecker.com/ProductGuide/CategoryOverview.aspx?cPat ...
>>
>> >>> Because it makes better advertising copy than 0.48 horsepower?? :-)
>>
>> >>> daestrom
>>
>> >> => snicker <=
>>
>> >> Probable, but it makes the statement that "power is never measured in
>> >>ampere units" quite wrong.
>>
>> >The 6 amp motor means it draws 6 amps from the mains. It does not mean
>> >ANYTHING as far as how much power it produces, other than that it
>> >cannot produce more than 690 watts at 115 volts
>>
>> You're an idiot. First off, there are ZERO 115 volt circuits here.
>>
>> Secondly, everything that runs on standard AC that relates to raw power
>> is declared in Amps.
>>
>> Look at vacuum cleaners, and the hand drill.
>>
>> Anything that competes with other makers that runs on a motor, competes
>> with each other over how fast or how strong or how well it can do the
>> job.
>>
>> A dremel tool talks about top rotational speed as that is more important
>> than shaft torque.
>>
>> Drills and vacuum cleaners refer to the amperage of the motor.
>>
>> So, YES it DOES mean EVERYTHING about how much power it has in a world
>> where the source voltage is known.
>You are both wrong.
>With AC, Volts x Amps only gives the power with a resistive (heating)
>load.
>If you have an inductive load this is no longer true. (ie a motor.)
>If it was a pure inductor, you could draw as many amps as you liked
>and no power would be consumed.
>Pure inductors only exist in theory BTW.
>If you connect a capacitor across the mains, it will draw current but
>no power will be consumed (virtually).
>Pure capacitors (as near as dammit) exist.
>The pair of you study this:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_factor
>I don't know where you Yanks get educated. God help America!
First of all, I'm no yank.
Second of all, That's what I was aluding to when I said the amperage
rating REALLY doesn't tell you how much power a device puts out. It is
an indicator, but does not take into account things like efficiency,
power factor, and a whole lot of other things that most people don't
even think about, much less understand. It ONLY tells how much current
is being drwn
As for no 115 volt circuits, OK, say 330 and double the wattage
(1380), or 240 and it is 1440 watts.
All the more reason AMPERAGE is not a good indicator of power output -
it doesn't tell you what voltage it is based on.
Wattage does. And wattage takes into account power factor, inductive
and capacitive reactance, etc. - making it a much more reliable
indicator of power output - but still does not address the efficiency.
Horsepower (or foot lbs torque at rpm, or newton-meters torque at RPM,
etc) does.
Posted by z on August 12, 2009, 2:01 am
clare@snyder.on.ca wrote in
> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:20:26 -0700 (PDT), harry
>
>>On Aug 11, 12:09 pm, Archimedes' Lever
>>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:05:42 -0400, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>>> >wrote:
>>>
>>> >>> Don T wrote:
>>>
>>> >>>> Again power is not measured in AMP, but in WATT you stupid
>>> >>>> jerks, Give it up now suckers.
>>>
>>> >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>> >>>> If you know it all answer me this. Why are tools like electric
>>> >>>> drills and even shop vacuums listed as having 6.0 AMP etc.
>>> >>>> motors?
>>>
>>> >>>>http://www.blackanddecker.com/ProductGuide/CategoryOverview.aspx?
>>> >>>>cPat...
>>>
>>> >>> Because it makes better advertising copy than 0.48 horsepower??
>>> >>> :-)
>>>
>>> >>> daestrom
>>>
>>> >> => snicker <=
>>>
>>> >> Probable, but it makes the statement that "power is never
>>> >> measured in
>>> >>ampere units" quite wrong.
>>>
>>> >The 6 amp motor means it draws 6 amps from the mains. It does not
>>> >mean ANYTHING as far as how much power it produces, other than that
>>> >it cannot produce more than 690 watts at 115 volts
>>>
>>> You're an idiot. First off, there are ZERO 115 volt circuits here.
>>>
>>> Secondly, everything that runs on standard AC that relates to raw
>>> power
>>> is declared in Amps.
>>>
>>> Look at vacuum cleaners, and the hand drill.
>>>
>>> Anything that competes with other makers that runs on a motor,
>>> competes
>>> with each other over how fast or how strong or how well it can do
>>> the job.
>>>
>>> A dremel tool talks about top rotational speed as that is more
>>> important
>>> than shaft torque.
>>>
>>> Drills and vacuum cleaners refer to the amperage of the motor.
>>>
>>> So, YES it DOES mean EVERYTHING about how much power it has in a
>>> world
>>> where the source voltage is known.
>>
>>You are both wrong.
>>With AC, Volts x Amps only gives the power with a resistive (heating)
>>load.
>>If you have an inductive load this is no longer true. (ie a motor.)
>>If it was a pure inductor, you could draw as many amps as you liked
>>and no power would be consumed.
>>Pure inductors only exist in theory BTW.
>>If you connect a capacitor across the mains, it will draw current but
>>no power will be consumed (virtually).
>>Pure capacitors (as near as dammit) exist.
>>
>>The pair of you study this:
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_factor
>>
>>I don't know where you Yanks get educated. God help America!
>>
>>
>>
>
> First of all, I'm no yank.
> Second of all, That's what I was aluding to when I said the amperage
> rating REALLY doesn't tell you how much power a device puts out. It is
> an indicator, but does not take into account things like efficiency,
> power factor, and a whole lot of other things that most people don't
> even think about, much less understand. It ONLY tells how much current
> is being drwn
>
> As for no 115 volt circuits, OK, say 330 and double the wattage
> (1380), or 240 and it is 1440 watts.
>
> All the more reason AMPERAGE is not a good indicator of power output -
> it doesn't tell you what voltage it is based on.
>
> Wattage does. And wattage takes into account power factor, inductive
> and capacitive reactance, etc. - making it a much more reliable
> indicator of power output - but still does not address the efficiency.
>
> Horsepower (or foot lbs torque at rpm, or newton-meters torque at RPM,
> etc) does.
>>
>
>
You guys are idiots. Amps are used to make guitars loud. The louder
something is the more powerful it is. So if I want a powerful motor I
want one that goes to 11 amps 10 is for chumps.
why? Because 11 is greater than 10. Rock and Roll.
Also there is an energy drink called Amp, so there!
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