Posted by B&B Musmon on October 10, 2007, 1:35 pm
After asking a question about back up electricity here it became very
obvious that there are a lot of very smart people here. There are a
lot of people talking about Hyrogen Cell technology and I know that
both Ford and GM have programs, which would be excelerated with a
little government help. I have heard that this technology could be
productive in less than 20 years and now I am thinking it might be the
ultimate solution, not only could it power our cars but generators and
possible heat our homes. Not that it would help me a lot at my age
but for the future, it would be nice to know we haven't left behind a
total mess. Anyone know where we are with this, how optimistic is 20
years?
Posted by Ken Maltby on October 10, 2007, 1:40 pm
> After asking a question about back up electricity here it became very
> obvious that there are a lot of very smart people here. There are a
> lot of people talking about Hyrogen Cell technology and I know that
> both Ford and GM have programs, which would be excelerated with a
> little government help. I have heard that this technology could be
> productive in less than 20 years and now I am thinking it might be the
> ultimate solution, not only could it power our cars but generators and
> possible heat our homes. Not that it would help me a lot at my age
> but for the future, it would be nice to know we haven't left behind a
> total mess. Anyone know where we are with this, how optimistic is 20
> years?
Google "hydrogen fuel cells" without the quotes.
Luck;
Ken
Posted by Eeyore on October 10, 2007, 1:54 pm
B&B Musmon wrote:
> After asking a question about back up electricity here it became very
> obvious that there are a lot of very smart people here. There are a
> lot of people talking about Hyrogen Cell technology and I know that
> both Ford and GM have programs, which would be excelerated with a
> little government help.
Yes I'm sure they'll take some money from the government.
> I have heard that this technology could be
> productive in less than 20 years and now I am thinking it might be the
> ultimate solution, not only could it power our cars but generators and
> possible heat our homes. Not that it would help me a lot at my age
> but for the future, it would be nice to know we haven't left behind a
> total mess. Anyone know where we are with this, how optimistic is 20
> years?
Hydrogen requires vast amounts of non-carbon generated electrical energy to
electrolyse if you want to be 'green'. That means loads of nukes. Most hydrogen
is currently made from fossil fuels - oops !
It'll also be very expensive.
It's a pipedream.
Also the fuel cells are very expensive and have a limited lifetime.
Graham
Posted by Jim on October 10, 2007, 4:53 pm
> B&B Musmon wrote:
>> After asking a question about back up electricity here it became very
>> obvious that there are a lot of very smart people here. There are a
>> lot of people talking about Hyrogen Cell technology and I know that
>> both Ford and GM have programs, which would be excelerated with a
>> little government help.
> Yes I'm sure they'll take some money from the government.
Ford is about to go bankrupt. They are in a completely untenable
position, mortgaged to the hilt and beyond, with sales in free-fall.......
They may promise the govt. almost anything to stay in bizness.
And I =don't= think the US gubmint is ready for another Chrysler-style
bailout.
>> I have heard that this technology could be
>> productive in less than 20 years and now I am thinking it might be the
>> ultimate solution, not only could it power our cars but generators and
>> possible heat our homes. Not that it would help me a lot at my age
>> but for the future, it would be nice to know we haven't left behind a
>> total mess. Anyone know where we are with this, how optimistic is 20
>> years?
> Hydrogen requires vast amounts of non-carbon generated electrical energy
> to
> electrolyse if you want to be 'green'. That means loads of nukes. Most
> hydrogen
> is currently made from fossil fuels - oops !
> It'll also be very expensive.
> It's a pipedream.
> Also the fuel cells are very expensive and have a limited lifetime.
Spot on again.
> Graham
>
Posted by Gordon on October 10, 2007, 10:23 pm
>
>
> B&B Musmon wrote:
>
>> After asking a question about back up electricity here it became very
>> obvious that there are a lot of very smart people here. There are a
>> lot of people talking about Hyrogen Cell technology
>
>> I have heard that this technology could be
>> productive in less than 20 years and now I am thinking it might be
>> the ultimate solution,
NASA has been using hydrogen fuel cells for ages. They are
very expensive hand built units.
>
> Hydrogen requires vast amounts of non-carbon generated electrical
> energy to electrolyse if you want to be 'green'. That means loads of
> nukes. Most hydrogen is currently made from fossil fuels - oops !
Very little hydrogen is made by electrolisys. It's generally made
by using superheated steam to break down natural gas. This process
also produces tons of CO2 which is released into the atmosphere.
Hydrogen can also be made as a by product of nuclear fission.
>
> It'll also be very expensive.
Depends on how it's made, there are at least three methods.
>
> It's a pipedream.
Depends on a source of cheap and enviromentally frendly hydrogen.
If we can do that, it's achievable.
>
> Also the fuel cells are very expensive and have a limited lifetime.
Expensive because of limited production. Mass production can solve
that.
>
> Graham
>
>
> obvious that there are a lot of very smart people here. There are a
> lot of people talking about Hyrogen Cell technology and I know that
> both Ford and GM have programs, which would be excelerated with a
> little government help. I have heard that this technology could be
> productive in less than 20 years and now I am thinking it might be the
> ultimate solution, not only could it power our cars but generators and
> possible heat our homes. Not that it would help me a lot at my age
> but for the future, it would be nice to know we haven't left behind a
> total mess. Anyone know where we are with this, how optimistic is 20
> years?