Posted by Jim Wilkins on June 10, 2008, 11:20 am
> > I'm hoping someone can take the concept and improve upon it...
> I can't see how you can get more heat out of jugs of warm water by putting
> them in the freezer than by putting them outside the freezer in the same
> room. You get some heat from the freezer motor running but you can make
> your freezer motor run by adjusting the thermostat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_pump
Go down to Efficiency.
In a moderate climate they make better use of electricity than
resistance heating does. The initial cost is justified by using them
for summer cooling. I've heard that they aren't really cost-effective
in climates where the outside temperature stays below 45F for long
without a geothermal heat source. Around here it drops below 0F.
However if you have a solar collector to heat water, just use it
directly. My very simple collector made from scrap heats a laundry
load of water to 120F.
Posted by Mark on June 10, 2008, 12:26 pm
> > > I'm hoping someone can take the concept and improve upon it...
> > I can't see how you can get more heat out of jugs of warm water by putting
> > them in the freezer than by putting them outside the freezer in the same
> > room. You get some heat from the freezer motor running but you can make
> > your freezer motor run by adjusting the thermostat.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_pump
> Go down to Efficiency.
> In a moderate climate they make better use of electricity than
> resistance heating does. The initial cost is justified by using them
> for summer cooling. I've heard that they aren't really cost-effective
> in climates where the outside temperature stays below 45F for long
> without a geothermal heat source. Around here it drops below 0F.
> However if you have a solar collector to heat water, just use it
> directly. My very simple collector made from scrap heats a laundry
> load of water to 120F.
if you have a solar collector
Posted by Eeyore on June 10, 2008, 1:24 pm
Jim Wilkins wrote:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_pump
> Go down to Efficiency.
> In a moderate climate they make better use of electricity than
> resistance heating does. The initial cost is justified by using them
> for summer cooling. I've heard that they aren't really cost-effective
> in climates where the outside temperature stays below 45F for long
> without a geothermal heat source. Around here it drops below 0F.
EROEI is in the region of 3 to maybe as much as 4 for the best new units in use
in Northern Europe.
Graham
Posted by daestrom on June 11, 2008, 5:08 pm
> Jim Wilkins wrote:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_pump
>> Go down to Efficiency.
>> In a moderate climate they make better use of electricity than
>> resistance heating does. The initial cost is justified by using them
>> for summer cooling. I've heard that they aren't really cost-effective
>> in climates where the outside temperature stays below 45F for long
>> without a geothermal heat source. Around here it drops below 0F.
> EROEI is in the region of 3 to maybe as much as 4 for the best new units
> in use
> in Northern Europe.
Are those ground-source or air-source? In Northern Europe I would suspect
they are ground-sourced to get that good a performance.
And ground-source installations aren't cheap. (but then neither is home
heating oil for those that use it)
daestrom
Posted by daestrom on June 11, 2008, 5:06 pm
>>
>> I'm hoping someone can take the concept and improve upon it...
>>
>>
> I can't see how you can get more heat out of jugs of warm water by putting
> them in the freezer than by putting them outside the freezer in the same
> room. You get some heat from the freezer motor running but you can make
> your freezer motor run by adjusting the thermostat.
When the water freezes it looses a lot of heat energy (144 btu/lbm to freeze
water as opposed to 1 btu/lbm to cool water 1 degree F). The freezer
'pumps' the heat energy out of the water and into the coil on the back of
the unit (in the room). So that heat is added to the motor heat.
daestrom
> I can't see how you can get more heat out of jugs of warm water by putting
> them in the freezer than by putting them outside the freezer in the same
> room. You get some heat from the freezer motor running but you can make
> your freezer motor run by adjusting the thermostat.