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Posted by Steve Ackman on July 27, 2009, 7:59 pm
-0700, Ulysses, therealulysses@yahoo.com wrote:

  Lindsay Publications *did* publish Alternator Secrets.  
I have a copy (in storage at the moment).  Can't say
exactly when I bought it, but it was probably something
like 20 years ago.

  A fine point of copyright law:  
When the copyright expires on an original work, it goes
into the public domain.  A publishing company (or anyone
for that matter) can pick it up, add some graphics,
change the layout, prepend an Intro, and add a few other
little flourishes here and there, and voila!  It is now
a "derived work" and they own the copyright to that work.

  If you could find the original, you could put that
version online and Lindsay would have no say over it.
It's in the public domain.  If you could find the
original, add your own illustrations, formatting,
introduction, etc., then *you* would own the copyright
to that version.  
Just to be redundantly clear: This is only valid for
works in the public domain.  If you try that with
material with a current copyright, it's infringement.

  Or if you could "reverse engineer" Lindsay's version,
so as to remove "oringal content" that Lindsay had
added, you could also publish it.  Problem with that is
that you don't know exactly how Lindsay changed the
original to make it their own without having a copy of
the original in the first place.

  Just as cartographers will intentionally add errors
to their maps as "copy indicators" republishers will
change a word here and there so they can tell if your
copy is from the original or theirs.  

  In the above example (itpmg.pdf), the document was
commissioned by a government.  In the US anyway,
government produced works are automatically in the
public domain.  
  How can a government "of the people" have proprietary
rights to something created "by the people?"  Take the
scripting language "Expect."  Written by a government
employee on government time, so it's in the public
domain.  The home page is even hosted on a government
computer.  http://expect.nist.gov/

  Since I have the hardcopy of "Alternator Secrets,"
I have a legal right to also have it on my hard drive.  
Copyright law allows you to make backup/archival copies
for your own use ("own" extends to the household).
  You however, are in violation of copyright law by
having "Alternator Secrets" on your hard drive if you
haven't paid Lindsay.

  Another way to "get around" Lindsay would be to do a
complete rewrite.  Use Lindsay's "Alternator Secrets"
and pretend you're doing a school report where you
can't use anything verbatim.  Again, you end up with
something completely original that you own the rights
to.  Maybe even replace any illustrations with photos
you've taken.
  The result will be "based on" Alternator Secrets, but
Lindsay will have zero interest in it.


Posted by Ulysses on July 28, 2009, 3:13 pm

OK, how do you *know* Lindsay published it?  The copy I have clearly states
the author is unknown.  I got the impression it was much older than 20

I *think* it's the original version but I don't know how to verify that.

At the bottom of the web site (that no longer seems to exist) it says:

Page but not contents Copyright 2002, Anozira All rights reserved.

Darn, I lost my font.  The only other information, other than the URL, is

      Alternator Secrets Created 01/15/00 Anozira
      Updated 02/04/02

So that appears to mean that only the header and the info at the bottom of
the page is copyrighted.  Anozira seems to think they have some rights to it
at some level.

Posted by Jim Wilkins on July 28, 2009, 4:16 pm


Posted by Richardson on July 28, 2009, 7:19 pm




Even the regulator is sealed, I can still modify it.  Ordinary people don't
understand it how, even the guy who shares his secrets said it will be
difficult.  For this reason, the Rednecks should stop calling me scammer or
whatever suits their clueless minds.  I have a gift.


Posted by wmbjkREMOVE on July 28, 2009, 10:29 pm

Oh, you have a "gift" alright.  Hey, isn't "gifted" the latest
euphemism for mentally-challenged? It seems to me that if you really
had a useful gift then you'd have known that, unless...  


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