Posted by Ulysses on June 24, 2007, 1:45 pm
> > The only critical 240V item I have is the well pump.
> An autotransformer (or 2:1 step up/down isolation transformer) might be
> a worthwhile investment - both trace and outback offer them, though one
> has to suspect that something off-the-shelf from a source not intent on
> milking maximum dollars out of "solar people" would be less expensive.
> That would permit running the well pump with one inverter down, and is
> cheaper than keeping a spare inverter on hand. Would be best if it can
> be wired so it's only "in circuit" when the pump is running (otherwise
> there's a 12-15 watt drain all the time due to magnetic losses - ie,
> warm transformer.)
I'm using an autotransformer right now with one OB 3600 watt inverter to run
my well pump because the other inverter is now just a battery charger
(temporarily, I hope). There was a discussion on this NG a month or two ago
with a lot of suggestions on more effecient, cheaper transformers. I can't
seem to recall the heading. Perhaps Neon John may remember.
> --
> Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by
Posted by Ron Rosenfeld on June 24, 2007, 3:31 pm
On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 12:30:48 GMT, Ecnerwal
>> The only critical 240V item I have is the well pump.
>An autotransformer (or 2:1 step up/down isolation transformer) might be
>a worthwhile investment - both trace and outback offer them, though one
>has to suspect that something off-the-shelf from a source not intent on
>milking maximum dollars out of "solar people" would be less expensive.
>That would permit running the well pump with one inverter down, and is
>cheaper than keeping a spare inverter on hand. Would be best if it can
>be wired so it's only "in circuit" when the pump is running (otherwise
>there's a 12-15 watt drain all the time due to magnetic losses - ie,
>warm transformer.)
Not a bad idea -- and I've thought of it. I do have a spare inverter, but
it's been sitting for seven years. Will it work? Who knows? :-)
--ron
Posted by Vaughn Simon on June 24, 2007, 9:12 am
> I could certainly run off the backup generator, but how long does it take
> to get an SW5548 repaired or replaced? I live in Downeast Maine.
> The only critical 240V item I have is the well pump.
You have a pressure tank right? Assuming that you are only going to lost
one inverter at a time, your backup plan could look like this: Conserve, and run
your 110 V. loads off of one inverter. Start up the genny to run the well pump
at shower time and briefly at other times of high water demand.
It should not take you more than two or three weeks to either get your inverter
repaired or buy a new one.
Vaughn
> --ron
Posted by Ron Rosenfeld on June 24, 2007, 3:32 pm
On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 13:12:57 GMT, "Vaughn Simon"
>>
>> I could certainly run off the backup generator, but how long does it take
>> to get an SW5548 repaired or replaced? I live in Downeast Maine.
>>
>> The only critical 240V item I have is the well pump.
> You have a pressure tank right? Assuming that you are only going to lost
>one inverter at a time, your backup plan could look like this: Conserve, and
run
>your 110 V. loads off of one inverter. Start up the genny to run the well pump
>at shower time and briefly at other times of high water demand.
>It should not take you more than two or three weeks to either get your inverter
>repaired or buy a new one.
>Vaughn
>> --ron
That is my present plan. But out of necessity rather than conscious
thought :-) Hence this post.
Thanks.
--ron
Posted by wmbjkREMOVE on June 24, 2007, 10:41 am
On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 06:40:32 -0400, Ron Rosenfeld
>My system, which includes a pair of series-stacked SW5548's, has been
>running without difficulty for 6 1/2 years. But I find myself concerned
>about dealing with inverter failure(s).
>Does anyone here have data on how long these things might last?
No data, just anecdotes - mine are nearly 13 years old. I know of
several other SWs about the same age.
>Strategies to deal with failures in an off-grid system?
A lightning strike could take out both inverters at once - you could
stock say, the biggest Samlex you're willing to invest in to keep you
going.
>I could certainly run off the backup generator, but how long does it take
>to get an SW5548 repaired or replaced? I live in Downeast Maine.
I had some problems early on. With the factory's approval I removed
all the circuit boards and sent only those parts in. That made the
shipping easier and saved some money, but it didn't reduce the
down-time at all. It was a couple weeks as I recall.
>The only critical 240V item I have is the well pump.
>--ron
(Assuming you have a single-pump setup) Running the well pump off the
backup generator might be bearable if your pressure tank is large
enough. If not, here's what I recommended to a friend who's worried
about grid failure rendering his fire sprinkler system inoperable (he
already has multiple pressure tanks) - a storage tank as big as you
can fit in the basement or whatever, along with a DC pressure pump. It
could have manual valves and switches, or be online ready to take over
whenever the normal pressure system fails. An additional benefit is
that such a setup could provide backup in case of submersible failure,
something that could easily take a week to fix. You could even put it
online full-time which might save some energy and extend the life of
your submersible. For backup you could use relatively inexpensive
diaphragm pump(s), for full-time use something like this might be
worthwhile http://store.solar-electric.com/water-dankoffsp-2900.html .
Wayne
> An autotransformer (or 2:1 step up/down isolation transformer) might be
> a worthwhile investment - both trace and outback offer them, though one
> has to suspect that something off-the-shelf from a source not intent on
> milking maximum dollars out of "solar people" would be less expensive.
> That would permit running the well pump with one inverter down, and is
> cheaper than keeping a spare inverter on hand. Would be best if it can
> be wired so it's only "in circuit" when the pump is running (otherwise
> there's a 12-15 watt drain all the time due to magnetic losses - ie,
> warm transformer.)