Posted by Bruce in Alaska on June 25, 2007, 2:47 pm
> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 08:03:06 -0400, "Steve Spence"
>
> >I've had to call xantrex three times in the last four years. Always quick to
> >respond, accurate and helpful. I have the Xantrex Prosine 3.0 and a Trace
> >C30 charge controller.
>
> That's good to know. I have not had to call them for about five or six
> years. When I did (they were still Trace at the time), they were good on
> the phone, but non-existent via email.
> --ron
You have to know that Trace, back in those days, only had Dialup Internet
connections, and they were located fairly far back in the Woods of
Western Washington State. Things have progressed considerable for
Internet availability around Arlington in the last half decade.
Bruce in alaska
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Posted by DJ on June 24, 2007, 7:35 pm
> My system, which includes a pair of series-stacked SW5548's, has been
> running without difficulty for 6 1/2 years. But I find myself concerned
> about dealing with inverter failure(s).
Don't we all ;-).
> Does anyone here have data on how long these things might last?
> Strategies to deal with failures in an off-grid system?
Well, firstly, put in a generator bypass switch; lets the generator
bypass the whole inverter-battery process.
Secondly, maybe get a step-up transformer (T-240, X-240, whatever) so
you can run your well pump off 120v, or get a DC well pump (Shurflow,
Lorentz, etc)
Cistern water systems I like. Again, as someone else mentioned, for
water availability in case of fire or accident.
> I could certainly run off the backup generator, but how long does it take
> to get an SW5548 repaired or replaced? I live in Downeast Maine.
To get a replacement, if your credit cards are amenable, couple days,
max. Repaired, another matter. Depends on what died.
With OutBack stuff, it's board swap. I've replaced boards on OutBacks
from arrival at the client site to turning the DC breaker back on
afterwards: two hours downtime. It's been my experience that boards
can be shipped out from OutBack in a day. Someone mentioned doing a
'board-ectomy' on a Trace, so it might be possible too. Now that
they're dropping the SW and the SW+ for the new XW, might start
getting more interesting.
> The only critical 240V item I have is the well pump.
So that's your weakness. Eliminate it ;-).
> --ron
Posted by Ron Rosenfeld on June 24, 2007, 8:40 pm
>> My system, which includes a pair of series-stacked SW5548's, has been
>> running without difficulty for 6 1/2 years. But I find myself concerned
>> about dealing with inverter failure(s).
>Don't we all ;-).
>> Does anyone here have data on how long these things might last?
>> Strategies to deal with failures in an off-grid system?
>Well, firstly, put in a generator bypass switch; lets the generator
>bypass the whole inverter-battery process.
Yes, that was part of the initial installation.
>Secondly, maybe get a step-up transformer (T-240, X-240, whatever) so
>you can run your well pump off 120v
I've thought of that. But if it's only a few days for a replacement, I can
live with occasional generator runs for water.
>With OutBack stuff, it's board swap. I've replaced boards on OutBacks
>from arrival at the client site to turning the DC breaker back on
>afterwards: two hours downtime. It's been my experience that boards
>can be shipped out from OutBack in a day. Someone mentioned doing a
>'board-ectomy' on a Trace, so it might be possible too. Now that
>they're dropping the SW and the SW+ for the new XW, might start
>getting more interesting.
Don't have Outback, so that suggestion doesn't work for me.
--ron
Posted by Ken Finney on June 27, 2007, 2:44 pm
> My system, which includes a pair of series-stacked SW5548's, has been
> running without difficulty for 6 1/2 years. But I find myself concerned
> about dealing with inverter failure(s).
> Does anyone here have data on how long these things might last?
> Strategies to deal with failures in an off-grid system?
> I could certainly run off the backup generator, but how long does it take
> to get an SW5548 repaired or replaced? I live in Downeast Maine.
> The only critical 240V item I have is the well pump.
I'm going to make a suggestion here that I haven't heard before. Most
inverters companies won't repair units past a certain age, and won't make
repair info available to other parties. The two highest failure rate parts
in an inverter are going to be the magnetics (inductors and transformers)
and the capacitors. The next higher failure rate item is probably the power
semiconductors. The magnetics are very likely custom items and repair shops
aren't going to be able to get a hold of them, however the capacitors and
the semiconductors are likely standard parts. However, the capacitors and
power semiconductors are likely to destroy themselves when they fail to the
point that the part numbers will be unreadable when they fail. My
suggestion is that if a person wants to be able to repair an interver in the
future, they should do the best they can to build a parts list and take high
resolution digital photographs of the circuit board before it fails. Both
will be invaluable for a repair shop.
Posted by Bruce in Alaska on June 28, 2007, 8:21 pm
> > My system, which includes a pair of series-stacked SW5548's, has been
> > running without difficulty for 6 1/2 years. But I find myself concerned
> > about dealing with inverter failure(s).
> >
> > Does anyone here have data on how long these things might last?
> > Strategies to deal with failures in an off-grid system?
> >
> > I could certainly run off the backup generator, but how long does it take
> > to get an SW5548 repaired or replaced? I live in Downeast Maine.
> >
> > The only critical 240V item I have is the well pump.
> >
>
> I'm going to make a suggestion here that I haven't heard before. Most
> inverters companies won't repair units past a certain age, and won't make
> repair info available to other parties. The two highest failure rate parts
> in an inverter are going to be the magnetics (inductors and transformers)
> and the capacitors. The next higher failure rate item is probably the power
> semiconductors. The magnetics are very likely custom items and repair shops
> aren't going to be able to get a hold of them, however the capacitors and
> the semiconductors are likely standard parts. However, the capacitors and
> power semiconductors are likely to destroy themselves when they fail to the
> point that the part numbers will be unreadable when they fail. My
> suggestion is that if a person wants to be able to repair an interver in the
> future, they should do the best they can to build a parts list and take high
> resolution digital photographs of the circuit board before it fails. Both
> will be invaluable for a repair shop.
>
>
>
For a "Properly" designed Inverter, the Magnetics are one of the LAST
things that fail, as it takes significant overloads to heat them to
the point of failure, and by that time, the Silicon will have long since
BURNT Open, or the Overcurrent Protection (fuses) will have opened, and
disabled the inverter. Capacitors, in a "Properly" designed Inverter
are only used for Filtering, and Small Signal Coupling, and usually only
fail when the Electrolyte Dries out, from overheating and age.
Semiconductors can usually be Second Sourced, if the OEM DOESN'T paint
over the Identifacation Information, and the same with most of the
Low Level Circuitry. The Magnetics are usually Custom or OEM Spec'd
for that particular unit, and are usually not stocked by the Supplier to
the OEM much after the Production Run, and a few spares.
Pictures are worth a Thousand Words, of documentation, anyday.....
Bruce in alaska
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>
> >I've had to call xantrex three times in the last four years. Always quick to
> >respond, accurate and helpful. I have the Xantrex Prosine 3.0 and a Trace
> >C30 charge controller.
>
> That's good to know. I have not had to call them for about five or six
> years. When I did (they were still Trace at the time), they were good on
> the phone, but non-existent via email.
> --ron