Posted by z on December 19, 2010, 4:40 am
>
>>
>>> With all the environmentalist lunacy, is solar even approaching the
>>> point of being cost effective for running my house in the short
>>> term? I'm not talking about amortizing the cost over 50 years, but
>>> right now?
>>>
>>> I see 5 watt solar panels selling for $00. Come on.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> It depends on how much you pay for electicity now. If your power
>> company started charging 50cents a KWH or higher then maybe it'd be
>> worth it.
>
> http://www.denverpost.com/commented/ci_15305162?source=commented-busine
> ss
>
> Looks like 4.5-9 cents a kwh
>
> "The first tier is figured as 500 x 0.03125 to yield 15.63 kwh at 4.6
> cents per kwh, costing 72 cents.
>
> The second tier is figured as 107 x 0.03125 to yield 3.34 at 9 cents
> per kwh, costing 30 cents.
>
> This was approved by the Colorado Public Utilities Commission last
> year when it approved Xcel's $28 million rate hike and the two-tiered
> system.
The great thing about making your own power is that you don't have to go
looking up all that stuff. So i'll pass on reading all that crap. I make
my own power -- but I can tell you it costs a heck of a lot more than 9
cents a KWH. But it's mine.
Also you don't have to wait for someone to fix it when it goes bad, so
that's nice.
The downside is that YOU have to go fix it when it fails.. but at least
you have no one else to blame for it ;)
>
>
> Read more: Xcel's complicated rate changes jolt some customers - The
> Denver Post
> http://www.denverpost.com/commented/ci_15305162?source=commented-
> business#ixzz18Vs23o8l Read The Denver Post's Terms of Use of its
> content: http://www.denverpost.com/termsofuse "
>
>
>> Many of us in this group don't have ready access to the grid, so
>> while expensive, solar, wind and hydroelectric are better than
>> nothing.
>>
>> I can tell you these do pay off if the alternative is buying fuel for
>> a generator ;)
>>
>> -Zachary in Oregon
>>
>
> I guess. If I was really rich and buying a survival retreat in a rural
> area...
>
Or if you grew up here in the boonies maybe. If you were rich you
wouldn't have to worry about buying fuel for your generator.
Plenty of people in rural areas still don't have ready access to power --
even in the USA. My power company wanted around 200,000 dollars to get
power to my house and that was in the early 80's.
Now i'd probably be twice that.
Upside is I can shoot in any direction without worry of hitting a
neighbor and have some of the best salmon & steelhead fishing known to
man within 100 yards of my front porch.
But no pizza delivery .. or high speed interenet .. or microwave ..
but nobody complains if I piss off my porch either ..
so it goes
-zachary
Posted by Jim Rojas on December 19, 2010, 5:06 am
z wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> With all the environmentalist lunacy, is solar even approaching the
>>>> point of being cost effective for running my house in the short
>>>> term? I'm not talking about amortizing the cost over 50 years, but
>>>> right now?
>>>>
>>>> I see 5 watt solar panels selling for $00. Come on.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> It depends on how much you pay for electicity now. If your power
>>> company started charging 50cents a KWH or higher then maybe it'd be
>>> worth it.
>>
>> http://www.denverpost.com/commented/ci_15305162?source=commented-busine
>> ss
>>
>> Looks like 4.5-9 cents a kwh
>>
>> "The first tier is figured as 500 x 0.03125 to yield 15.63 kwh at 4.6
>> cents per kwh, costing 72 cents.
>>
>> The second tier is figured as 107 x 0.03125 to yield 3.34 at 9 cents
>> per kwh, costing 30 cents.
>>
>> This was approved by the Colorado Public Utilities Commission last
>> year when it approved Xcel's $28 million rate hike and the two-tiered
>> system.
> The great thing about making your own power is that you don't have to go
> looking up all that stuff. So i'll pass on reading all that crap. I make
> my own power -- but I can tell you it costs a heck of a lot more than 9
> cents a KWH. But it's mine.
> Also you don't have to wait for someone to fix it when it goes bad, so
> that's nice.
> The downside is that YOU have to go fix it when it fails.. but at least
> you have no one else to blame for it ;)
>>
>>
>> Read more: Xcel's complicated rate changes jolt some customers - The
>> Denver Post
>> http://www.denverpost.com/commented/ci_15305162?source=commented-
>> business#ixzz18Vs23o8l Read The Denver Post's Terms of Use of its
>> content: http://www.denverpost.com/termsofuse "
>>
>>
>>> Many of us in this group don't have ready access to the grid, so
>>> while expensive, solar, wind and hydroelectric are better than
>>> nothing.
>>>
>>> I can tell you these do pay off if the alternative is buying fuel for
>>> a generator ;)
>>>
>>> -Zachary in Oregon
>>>
>>
>> I guess. If I was really rich and buying a survival retreat in a rural
>> area...
>>
> Or if you grew up here in the boonies maybe. If you were rich you
> wouldn't have to worry about buying fuel for your generator.
> Plenty of people in rural areas still don't have ready access to power --
> even in the USA. My power company wanted around 200,000 dollars to get
> power to my house and that was in the early 80's.
> Now i'd probably be twice that.
> Upside is I can shoot in any direction without worry of hitting a
> neighbor and have some of the best salmon& steelhead fishing known to
> man within 100 yards of my front porch.
> But no pizza delivery .. or high speed interenet .. or microwave ..
> but nobody complains if I piss off my porch either ..
> so it goes
> -zachary
Curbie would argue that such a place does not really exist... :)
I live in Tampa Bay. 10 minutes from the nearest boat ramp. The waters
here are still clean. Once you get out of the bay, the water is such a
pretty blueish color.
If it wasn't for all the tiger sharks I go out more often. I still get
sea sick for some reason.
Jim Rojas
Posted by Jane_Galt on December 19, 2010, 5:50 am
>
> Or if you grew up here in the boonies maybe. If you were rich you
> wouldn't have to worry about buying fuel for your generator.
>
> Plenty of people in rural areas still don't have ready access to power --
> even in the USA. My power company wanted around 200,000 dollars to get
> power to my house and that was in the early 80's.
>
> Now i'd probably be twice that.
Whew.
> Upside is I can shoot in any direction without worry of hitting a
> neighbor
Oh I'm jealous! I want some shootin property some day.
> and have some of the best salmon & steelhead fishing known to
> man within 100 yards of my front porch.
Ohhh!
> But no pizza delivery .. or high speed interenet
Dont they have satellite broadband yet?
>.. or microwave ..
>
> but nobody complains if I piss off my porch either ..
>
> so it goes
Ah but why piss on the porch? LOL
--
- Jane Galt
"Remember that there is no such dichotomy as 'human rights' versus
'property rights.' No human rights can exist without property rights. Since
material goods are produced by the mind and effort of individual men, and
are needed to sustain their lives, if the producer does not own the result
of his effort, he does not own his life. To deny property rights means to
turn men into property owned by the state. Whoever claims the 'right' to
'redistribute' the wealth produced by others is claiming the 'right' to
treat human beings as chattel." -- Ayn Rand
Posted by z on December 19, 2010, 5:57 am
>
>
>>
>> Or if you grew up here in the boonies maybe. If you were rich you
>> wouldn't have to worry about buying fuel for your generator.
>>
>> Plenty of people in rural areas still don't have ready access to
>> power -- even in the USA. My power company wanted around 200,000
>> dollars to get power to my house and that was in the early 80's.
>>
>> Now i'd probably be twice that.
>
> Whew.
>
>> Upside is I can shoot in any direction without worry of hitting a
>> neighbor
>
> Oh I'm jealous! I want some shootin property some day.
Plenty in Colorado isn't there? Maybe go get some land near Hunter S
Thompsons place.. but that's probably pretty spendy.
>
>> and have some of the best salmon & steelhead fishing known to
>> man within 100 yards of my front porch.
>
> Ohhh!
>
>> But no pizza delivery .. or high speed interenet
>
>
> Dont they have satellite broadband yet?
The hills in the way. Also for the work I do the latency is too high
(near a second or more). Old school ssh terminal is actually faster with
dialup.
>
>>.. or microwave ..
>>
>> but nobody complains if I piss off my porch either ..
>>
>> so it goes
>
> Ah but why piss on the porch? LOL
Because you can!
>
>
Posted by Jane_Galt on December 19, 2010, 6:00 am
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Or if you grew up here in the boonies maybe. If you were rich you
>>> wouldn't have to worry about buying fuel for your generator.
>>>
>>> Plenty of people in rural areas still don't have ready access to
>>> power -- even in the USA. My power company wanted around 200,000
>>> dollars to get power to my house and that was in the early 80's.
>>>
>>> Now i'd probably be twice that.
>>
>> Whew.
>>
>>> Upside is I can shoot in any direction without worry of hitting a
>>> neighbor
>>
>> Oh I'm jealous! I want some shootin property some day.
>
> Plenty in Colorado isn't there? Maybe go get some land near Hunter S
> Thompsons place.. but that's probably pretty spendy.
No money, I'm barely payin the bills here in the city. <sigh>
>>> and have some of the best salmon & steelhead fishing known to
>>> man within 100 yards of my front porch.
>>
>> Ohhh!
>>
>>> But no pizza delivery .. or high speed interenet
>>
>>
>> Dont they have satellite broadband yet?
>
> The hills in the way. Also for the work I do the latency is too high
> (near a second or more). Old school ssh terminal is actually faster with
> dialup.
Whew.
>>
>>>.. or microwave ..
>>>
>>> but nobody complains if I piss off my porch either ..
>>>
>>> so it goes
>>
>> Ah but why piss on the porch? LOL
>
> Because you can!
LOL! There ya go!
--
- Jane Galt
"Remember that there is no such dichotomy as 'human rights' versus
'property rights.' No human rights can exist without property rights. Since
material goods are produced by the mind and effort of individual men, and
are needed to sustain their lives, if the producer does not own the result
of his effort, he does not own his life. To deny property rights means to
turn men into property owned by the state. Whoever claims the 'right' to
'redistribute' the wealth produced by others is claiming the 'right' to
treat human beings as chattel." -- Ayn Rand
>>
>>> With all the environmentalist lunacy, is solar even approaching the
>>> point of being cost effective for running my house in the short
>>> term? I'm not talking about amortizing the cost over 50 years, but
>>> right now?
>>>
>>> I see 5 watt solar panels selling for $00. Come on.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> It depends on how much you pay for electicity now. If your power
>> company started charging 50cents a KWH or higher then maybe it'd be
>> worth it.
>
> http://www.denverpost.com/commented/ci_15305162?source=commented-busine
> ss
>
> Looks like 4.5-9 cents a kwh
>
> "The first tier is figured as 500 x 0.03125 to yield 15.63 kwh at 4.6
> cents per kwh, costing 72 cents.
>
> The second tier is figured as 107 x 0.03125 to yield 3.34 at 9 cents
> per kwh, costing 30 cents.
>
> This was approved by the Colorado Public Utilities Commission last
> year when it approved Xcel's $28 million rate hike and the two-tiered
> system.